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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I’ve heard anecdotes from professors there that there has been a decline in the quality I’d the student body and the tutoring halls are constantly filled.

I think the push to enroll non-privileged students has had consequences. The sad truth is that a privileged background (attentive parents with resources and excellent K-12 schools) tends to create strong students. So if you count “privilege” against an applicant and aggressively favor a lack thereof, you are not tilting your student body in the direction of academic preparedness. [/quote]

There is no doubt this is true.  My college roommate is now a professor at Princeton (and has been an Ivy professor for 12 years, across 3 schools). She says that many of the current kids are absolutely not as prepared as kids even 5 years ago.  It's "shocking."  However, they can (and do) catch most of these kids up.  Isn't it a good thing that smart kids from diverse backgrounds are being given this opportunity?

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I've heard this from profs at schools that are not nearly as selective too. I think the Covid dip is real and affected a large student population.[/quote]
Hand and hand with test optional and holistic admissions.[/quote]

Then you should have seen this phenomenon at CalTech and other test optional schools years ago. Obviously it didn’t happen. [/quote]

Caltech is always a ridiculous argument for justifying quality in test-optional admissions.  They hand pick a class of 200 kids and don't need an SAT score to find them.  These kids have resumes way beyond an SAT score. [/quote]

Their applicant pool differs from MIT how exactly?[/quote]

It's the same applicant pool. MIT and Caltech are getting kids that are rolling with 1600 or 36. And it doesn't matter whether they choose to submit. It's pretty clear from the rest of their applications that these are smart kids [/quote]

So why does MIT need a SAT score? Is their admissions department incompetent?[/quote]

It is MIT's prerogative to require a SAT/ACT score.  Just like Caltech can conclude they build their best classes without requiring a SAT/ACT score.  Neither is wrong.  Both have the ability to build their own class the way they see fit.  Both still succeed at having a group of really smart kids.  [/quote]

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