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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself? [/quote]

Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.[/quote]
That wasn’t in this article.[/quote]

It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth[/quote]

1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. [b]How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare[/b]
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It also puts the healthcare of women in the remaining free states at risk. There aren’t that many obstetricians to go around. 
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Anyone traveling to a state where abortion is still legal needs to show their voting record. If they voted GOP, nope, no taking services. You bought the ticket, you take the ride.[/quote]

On the other hand, if this woman’s family starts voting for pro life candidates, that could be a lot of people changing sides. Milo’s parents, her parents, her 6 siblings, their spouses. That’s almost 20 people without getting into extended family, church, or friends. This is how change happens. Unfortunately because of republicans, a lot of babies are going to have to die, families will go into debt to pay for hospital bills that shouldn’t have been needed, some women will lose their fertility and lives along the way, and it’s going to break families apart with the stress of dying children, debt, and grief. But they will have won for a little while. [/quote]

It may cause some people to change sides, but I doubt it. I have many prolifers in my own family who would stare down this kind of suffering, explain it away as God’s plan and good for them leaving open the possibility for a miracle, and then go right on back to the same crap way of voting. They don’t want to hear that they forced avoidable suffering on their loved ones. They don’t want to take accountability for they’ve done and what they supported.

They are all just “innocent Germans” who only cared about the economy. [/quote]

Omg yes, this. I know all the same people, sadly.[/quote]

Unfortunately. Abortion is also a violent procedure[/quote]

A late term abortion involves injecting potassium 
chloride into the heart to stop it  That's it. That's violent vs watching the child gasp for air?

Sadly, palliative care for a newborn infant is still lacking in terms of knowledge among providers amd actual research for how best to apply it. It happens, but isn't so common to deal with a sudden infant death that is occurring within hours of birth. Research will improve given new laws that will require it more frequently, but undoubtedly, healthcare isn't as good as this as you might think for a newborn, let alone a newborn dying within 99 minutes requiring an IV and VERY quickly sorting out titrating up medication dosages.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5835990/[/quote]

Mother still has to deliver. Traumatic either way, no?[/quote]

Mother can undego D&E. It isn't your place to choose what is least traumatic to another person, no? That IS what you are doing here.[/quote]

Again, she had choices.[/quote]

So we’ve moved from “the laws allow abortion for women whose health is at risk or when the baby wouldn’t survive anyway” to “well she could’ve traveled hundreds of miles after seeking donations from friends and family IF they can find an out of state clinic” in less than a year. I thought it would take longer to stop pretending that abortion bans wouldn’t hurt women and children. [/quote]

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