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Let me start by saying I'm not US-educated, so I have no hands on experience on this education system.

For an outsider like me, tests look like tests, Cogat in elementary looks just like the SAT test for college or  the GRE test for post grad.

Are you suppose to also not study for those?

[b]Where's the guide to know for which test to prep and for which you are not allowed? [/b]Not joking, I just don't get the US education system.[/quote]

There's no such thing.. This topic keeps popping up at least once a year.  Prep all you want for any test you want.  The concept of "not allowed", was invented by some clever lawyer White mom (now stay at home) to dissuade the Asians from prepping.  White moms don't want their precious offspring to take time off from ballet, soccer or other such trivial pursuits to prep and compete against the Asians and Nigerians, hence the misinformation campaign.  It's like 'Donald Trump won the 2020 election'.[/quote]

Any exam test that tests knowledge you should have accrued through education- SAT/SOL/etc prep and studying are expected and encouraged, whereas a test that determines aptitude, like the Cogat, is not supposed to be prepped for.

Do a thought exercise: if you there was a way you could prepare in advance for an IQ test, learning what to expect and tips or tricks to improve your score - is it really reflecting your ability?

Personally, I don't care if you prep or not as long as your kid can handle an AAP program on their own without external pressure from you as a parent. [/quote]

My kids are long done with AAP and I was just browsing these forums with nothing to do.. Both did well on IQ tests but we prepped anyways just to be sure.  One is at a T20 college via TJ.  The other is at base HS.

My 2c..  Every kid at FCPS should have access to AAP level classes if they want to.  It's a tragedy that we have to fight for a decent education.  AAP is not that much more difficult and every parent should try to get their kids into that program.  Academically, it's curriculum is better than that of most private schools in this area, especially in science and math.  [b]By getting into AAP you are also in a class where most of the kids/parents are academics-focused and avoid the bully-types.  If that's the environment you want, get in by all means.  Don't worry about whether or not your kid can handle AAP.  They will adapt.  [/b]

Prep only helps the borderline kids.. Smart kids will score high regardless of prep.  Not-so-smart kids won't regardless of prep.  it's the borderline kids that may fall to the right side of the wall with prep.  Go for it!  There's a large DCUM population that believes prep is cheating unless they approve of it (at which point they will call it enrichment).  This is the same crowd that doesn't hesitate to spend thousands on doctors to get their kids extra time on tests, score that extra 200 points on the SAT (while openly promoting test optional), and tutor them to wazoo.  Ignore that noise. Good luck![/quote]

Unfortunately, most kids prep even smart kids which makes it harder for smart kids to test as gifted if they don't prep compared to the smart kids that do prep. It's just a matter of having a level playing field and these tests fail to guarantee that.[/quote]

If your kids are well beyond ES, it may not be as good as you remember.  Now 20% of all kids get in and not all are subject to the same cutoffs due to more focus on local school norms, equity, etc.  But the hardest thing for most kids in high SES areas may well be getting in, hence the need to prep as a little extra insurance.  10-20 points may matter. Or not. Because the process now is shrouded in "holistic" mystery. [/quote]

The kids from higher SES schools and centers need higher scores because of prep. Parents were already prepping the kids which is why their scores were so much higher then other schools. The big difference between schools were 20% of the kids were scoring in the 140s and schools where 20% of the kids were score in the 130s is the amount of prep. The schools with a lot of 130s tend to have fewer parents prepping. Once you add in workbooks and/or classes, you get your 140s because prep tends to lead to a 10 point bump.

Your schools with a lot of 130’s tend to me middle class and upper middle class families where parents have been reading to kids and doing things with them that reinforce reading, math, and curiosity. These are the kids who tend to show up to K knowing their letters and numbers and sounds and being able to write or read a little bit. They do well on the NNAT and CoGAT because they have been exposed to more.

The kids at the lower SES schools are at a disadvantage because their parents are less likely to read to them or expose them to basic math. They tend to show up to K not knowing their letters, numbers, shapes, colors, or sounds. That shows up in their test scores as well as their classroom performance.

Being upset because the County gets that kids who are advanced at each school is going to be different based on their backgrounds is a bit silly. The schools with a lot of 140’s who are not in pool will have peers in the gen ed classroom. The kids with 130s at a Title 1 school will not have peers in their classroom. Those kids need AAP at their school because they don’t have a peer base. Even if that means that they would not qualify for AAP at the higher SES school. Recognizing the schools in the County end up with different types of programs based on the kids at those schools is common sense. Your 135 kid at a school with a ton of 140s is going to be fine in Gen Ed. [/quote]

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