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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]NP. As a liberal Democrat and long-time Montgomery County resident. I say this most sincerely that the arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes. It’s truly unfortunate. [/quote] "The arrogance of the political establishment in Montgomery County is leading to negative outcomes" means "The people elected by voters to hold office in Montgomery County are doing things I don't like." If they were doing things you did like, or even weren't doing things you don't like, you would call it leadership, not arrogance. I don't know which things you don't like, but there's a good chance they involve increasing the supply of housing or de-prioritizing car transportation.[/quote] Ask yourself, is anyone really against either one of those things, or are they against changes that affect their neighborhoods in negative ways? By all means, build density where it makes sense. [b]Don’t try to build density in neighborhoods of single family homes, especially since you don’t have the data to prove that it achieves any of the goals. I mean, if you have proof, let’s see it.[/b] Specifically, some proof that changes in zoning create affordable housing without negatively affecting the quality of life and property values for existing owners of SFH, and some evidence that those changes also prevent gentrification in lower income areas. The ZTA that the council plans to shove through with thrive aren’t studied well, and god knows what is going to happen. Probably worse for both higher value and lower income areas. Don’t worry, they’ll pass a bunch of bad local transit plans like the University B corridor plan and then use them as some justification for bad housing planning. It will be a masterpiece of MoCo scheming, the developers will be the only ones that profit. Plenty of backslapping for all. This going to be the like the monorail episode of the simpsons.[/quote] The reason they are doing the bolded is to deliberately destroy wealthier neighborhoods because ‘it’s not fair’. It’s all emotion. They don’t need proof for that. They don’t CARE about quality of life for ‘those people’. The goal is to break the back of the people.[/quote] What's your goal? To feel aggrieved and victimized by people under 40 who want to live in Montgomery County, or to be successful in advocating for policies you support? Pick one, you can't have both.[/quote] stupid comment. people under 40 can live in Montgomery County. There are so many cheap areas - move to Olney, Laytonsville, Germantown, etc etc. An under 40 person does NOT need to live in Bethesda or CC. If they can't afford a single family home close in, move further out. That is life in a nutshell. There are so many other areas to develop, Rockville Pike being the best option. It's strip mall heaven...build up along the pike where this are metro stops and stop worrying about some BS equity trip. [/quote] I mean, if the only place we could afford was Germantown/Olney, we’d leave the metro area, because it’s just not conducive with two downtown commutes and kids in school/daycare. Most people are realistic about not being able to afford Bethesda, it’s when the crappy houses in silver spring are selling for way more than they’re worth that gets disheartening (we already have a house, but talking about others we know trying to buy now). It I totally agree that Rockville pike, Georgia Ave, etc. have a lot of underutilized retail spaces that could be converted to nice mixed use areas.[/quote] I like how you refer to “we” when you’re just talking about you. Considering that all of the elementary schools in Bethesda are over crowded, just like elementary schools in close in Silver Spring, that means that there are tons of you families that have figured out how to afford to live there. Stop trying to universalize your own problems and make them a moral crusade for one. There is no “we” in this, only you. [/quote] Huh? I said "we" because I'm not a single parent. I have a spouse and *we* make decisions jointly.[/quote] Well then you and your spouse need to take better care of your finances. Because there are actually too many young families that have figured out how to afford to live in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Silver Spring without needing to resort to moving to Olney and school enrollment bears this out. [b]The finances of your family is not a concern for public policy.[/b] [/quote] DP. Agreed that the PP's specific family's specific finances are not a concern for public policy. However, housing affordability and availability for young families certainly is a concern for public policy. Including housing for young families who aren't wealthy.[/quote] Every singe elementary school inside the beltway is overcrowded. [b]If there was an affordability problem for families this would not be true. [/b]These schools range in FARMS from about 50% to under 5%. So everything that you say is not relevant. [/quote] This does not follow.[/quote] How can it be so unaffordable for families inside the Beltway in Montgomery County when every elementary school, including those with high FARMS, are overcrowded. Please explain how this is possible. I would love to know. [/quote] Could you please list all of the MCPS elementary schools that are inside the Beltway [u]and[/u] high FARMS [u]and[/u] over capacity? Not and/or. And. Thanks.[/quote] You clearly don’t have kids in your “family”. Go read the MCPS forum and do your own homework. Just love these childless urbanist children that have zero clue about the world. There are zero elementary schools inside the beltway that are under capacity and basically every ES east of Beach Dr is either a Focus school or Title I. [/quote] Your "facts" are wrong. Here is the [b]complete[/b] list of MCPS elementary schools that are inside the Beltway [u]and[/u] high FARMS (over 41.8%, which is the district-wide percentage for ES) [u]and[/u] over capacity: JoAnn Leleck ES, Oak View ES. That's it. 2 schools. There are a lot of elementary schools inside the Beltway that are under capacity, and there are also many elementary schools east of Beach Drive that are neither a Focus school or Title I.[/quote] Here's the full list of the 23 MCPS elementary schools inside the Beltway (2021-22 data). 15 of the 23 (65%) are under capacity. Burning Tree: over capacity, FARMS 7% Wyngate: [b]under capacity[/b], FARMS <5% Bradley Hills: [b]under capacity[/b], FARMS <5% Bannockburn: over capacity, FARMS <5% Wood Acres: [b]under capacity[/b], FARMS <5% Bethesda: over capacity, FARMS 16% North Chevy Chase: [b]under capacity[/b], FARMS 26% Chevy Chase: [b]under capacity[/b], FARMS 22% Somerset: [b]under capacity[/b], FARMS 15% Woodlin: over capacity (currently under construction), FARMS 33% Rosemary Hills: [b]under capacity[/b], FARMS 33% Rock Creek Forest: over capacity, FARMS 30% Sligo Creek: [b]under capacity[/b], FARMS 14% East Silver Spring: [b]under capacity[/b], FARMS 54% Takoma Park: [b]under capacity[/b], FARMS 28% Piney Branch: [b]under capacity[/b], FARMS 34% Oak View: over capacity, FARMS 71% Highland View: over capacity, FARMS 40% Roscoe Nix:[b] under capacity[/b], FARMS 73% Joann Leleck: over capacity, FARMS 87% Montgomery Knolls: [b]under capacity[/b], FARMS 49% New Hampshire Estates: [b]under capacity[/b], FARMS 89% Rolling Terrace: [b]under capacity[/b], FARMS 83% "Under capacity" bolded. And it was silly reasoning to begin with - the idea that Montgomery County must be affordable for families, because there are families who live in Montgomery County. :roll: [/quote] To echo the PP, I do wonder why someone would waste their own time to create blatant lies. For example, Bethesda ES has been overcapacity for over a decade despite having an addiction added in 2015. Somerset ES then also become over capacity. MCPS concluded a boundary study for a those three ESs (along with Westbrook) to balance enrollment. One outcome of that study was that MCPS no longer plans to add a second addition to Bethesda ES and instead plans to add another addition to Westbrook to handle future enrollment increases that would take Bethesda and Somerset over capacity again. MCPS similarly plans to use Nix to handle overcapacity issues at Leleck. In fact, enrollment growth in the ESs inside the Beltway have been so strong that about half the schools have had additions after being chronically over crowded for years. Wyngate is a good example. Bradley Hills too. The PP is not only lying but trying a variation of the “it’s so crowded no one goes there anymore” routine. Families can afford it because families are doing it every day. While people without kids are lying about it on the internet. What a world. [/quote] Somerset ES enrollment, 2021-2022: 434 Somerset ES capacity: 516 Is Somerset ES over capacity?[/quote] You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about and love to pretend that you do. Read the boundary study. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/planning/BethesdaSomersetWestbrookESBoundaryStudy.pdf[/quote] Was Somerset ES over capacity in 2021-22, which is the most recent year for MCPS at-a-glance data?[/quote]
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