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I am in research too.   I produce quarterly statistics and they just roll right out of a controlled process.  They are audited and checked constantly.  It really is not that expensive to produce once the process is set up.   We are now 6 months into 2012, do you really think MCPS doesn't know the turnover rate at the close of 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 school years?  I think these numbers exist.  They may even be public, but I can't find them.   MCPS put out these numbers for 2009 and the previous 8 years, so I know it is possible.

But let's leave this aside because you  are proving my point.   Either there is or there is not data that shows increasing turnover around the pay freeze period.   In 2009, turnover was around 5%.  I didn't raise the issue about how the pay freeze is causing increased teacher turnover, some of the teacher posts did.  Based on your premise, however, there is no way to even prove that turnover is increasing.   Therefore, I don't think teacher retention should justify the pay raise.   Retention has just not been proven to be an issue.  If I am wrong, then show me some evidence of teachers leaving MCPS because of pay.  That is the point I want to make.

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Your "controlled presses" almost certainly rely on automated systems that probably costs hundreds of thousands of dollars and require at least one IT person to run. For the "auditing and checking constantly" you mention so casually, you're talking about 2-6 trained people who do NOTHING but focus on these statistics.  I'm in research and I earn 6 figures, and DH is actually in statistics and he also earns 6 figures. That's the kind of operation you're talking about, with anywhere from 2-6 (or more!) IT people and statisticians dedicated to these statistics.

Let's compare to MCPS!  We're talking about paper reporting, at least at the initial stage, by some multi-tasking person in some school or MCPS office who has a dozen other more pressing tasks besides one.  Somebody else who has to enter the data. We're also talking about some number-cruncher who also has a real job besides hounding others to (a) report their data and (b) resolve inconsistencies. We're talking about MCPS administrators who probably have more pressing tasks than this one, and although they do take too may junkets, I for one am glad they haven't made this particular worm hole a priority. So the 2010 data probably doesn't exist yet, for all the reasons I've listed.

How can you possibly complain about MCPS spending more for teacher salaries -- when you're talking about spending maybe a million to hire half a dozen dedicated people, and automate their reporting systems, for ... what was that again ... turnover statistics?

As for the link between pay and turnover, another PP answered it a few pages ago.[/quote]

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