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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]FYI, I get this SAT Score info from https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator

College 25% 75%

Amherst 1370 1550
pomona 1470 1570
middlebury 1380 1530
hamilton 1410 1540
wellesley 1400 1540
wesleyan 1300 1510
colby 1400 1530
colgate 1350 1500
vassar 1420 1540
swarthmore 1430 1560
grinnell 1370 1530
carleton 1408 1550
kenyon 1340 1500
oberlin 1330 1460
Conn.C 1333 1476[/quote]

If this is for a recent year (after 2019), it's tricky comparing these scores b/c I think all these schools went test optional and there can be quite a difference in the fraction of students who submit scores across schools. These won't be the scores for all students enrolled, which is what one would like to have.

Also, I *think* the NCES SAT data is for [i]admitted[/i] students rather than [i]enrolled[/i] students. The scores for admitted students can be quite a bit higher than for the students who end up enrolling. [/quote]
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This is for 2021 Fall enrolled admission. It is from the government site, so it should be reliable[/b].[/quote]

Thanks for pointing out that the SAT scores are for first-years enrolling in fall 2021.  I did go to the source and here are the percentage of these students that submitted SAT scores (I only looked up a few schools):

Oberlin 34%
Amherst 36%
Hamilton 32%
Wesleyan 51%
Swarthmore 39%
Connecticut 12%

Big differences in these percentages (e.g., between Wesleyan and Amherst or Connecticut and any of the others) make comparing SAT score ranges across schools tricky. 
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And what about ACT ? [/quote]

What you need to do is add up the percent submitting SAT and ACT. Generally SAT and ACT ranges correspond and generally the better schools have higher ranges as well as pct submitting. You will see how a school like Trinity with fairly high scores but then very low percentage submitting, which is a big red flag. [/quote]

Right so I guess my point is that JUST listing SAT scores doesn't give the whole story
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No it doesn’t but it’s cumbersome to talk about SAT, ACT and total percent submitted. But you need to watch out for schools with a low percentage submitting. Trinity really stands out in that way. As does Bates but not as severely [/quote]

Bates has been TO for decades, as has Bowdoin. Bates and Trinity are miles apart in terms of competitiveness and academic rigor.[/quote]

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