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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Btw, so say they aren't doing "as much" traffic enforcement is a bit of an understatement. They are doing less than half of what they used to do. Vacancies and increased calls fur service will not explain that, that is why they themselves blame "the rhetoric"[/quote]

Let's play with your presumption for a moment. If you are an officer in this county, and you know that one unfortunate incident can make you lose your entire livelihood [i]even if you made the absolutely correct decision in the moment using all of your knowledge, experience, training, and respect for life[/i], would you [b]want[/b] to be proactive? Would you, seriously?[/quote]

Given that the threat of losing their entire livelihood this does not seem to stop some police officers from making blatantly wrong decisions?[/quote]

And THERE it is.

I wrote "absolutely correct decision in the moment using all of your knowledge, experience, training, and respect for life". You read that as "blatantly wrong."

So best, honorable, knowledgeable intentions are = "blatantly wrong."

I'm not an officer, but I have no problem seeing how doing the job just got astonomically harder. My best decision at a terrible moment may ruin my life, and that of my family? [/quote]

No, blatantly wrong decisions are blatantly wrong decisions. Police officers (some police officers) make blatantly wrong decisions. You agree with this statement, right? Sometimes, some police officers make blatantly wrong decisions? Like shooting people in the back while they are fleeing, or pulling people out of their cars and beating them, or engaging in high-speed chases in crowded areas, or firing their guns when they don't know where the bullets will go? And they do this despite the possibility that they may lose their entire livelihood. Why does this possibility not stop them from making blatantly wrong decisions? [/quote]

Of course officers can make blatantly wrong decisions, and there should be consequences for those. My scenario wasn’t about a blatantly wrong decision. It was about a correct decision, using all of the officer’s training and best intentions. The fact you immediately defaulted to “blatantly wrong” when that’s not what my question was about illustrates my concern perfectly. Officers may fear losing all even if they do what was the best, most reasoned choice in a bad situation. [/quote]

I will try to explain this again.

We know that sometimes officers make blatantly wrong decisions, even though this may result in them losing their livelihoods. Right? We agree on that. Fear of losing their livelihoods does not stop some officers from making blatantly wrong decisions. Sometimes, some officers make blatantly wrong decisions and then lose their livelihoods. Other times - in fact quite commonly - officers who made blatantly wrong decisions do NOT lose their livelihoods. The municipality (city, county, whatever) makes a payment to the victim, with taxpayer money; the officers keep their jobs. So, why are you worrying about officers making decisions that are not blatantly wrong and then losing their livelihoods?

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