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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Despite 10 pages of concerns, highly selective colleges have no trouble choosing excellent kids and building a great class.

Their problem is the opposite: choosing whom to reject from the large number of qualified kids.

Your concern that these issues, whether real or imagined,[b] are causing colleges to select kids that are unqualified and incapable is just not borne out by evidence. [/b][/quote]

You're completely speaking out of your A$$.  How do you know this?  Have there been studies?  Has enough time passed for there to even been evidence to accrue?

No. 
We don't have graduation rates of the test-optional and grade inflated Covid cohort. 
We don't even have GPA data. We certainly don't have post-graduation employment data.

You are being all very authoritarian about total BS.  [/quote]

First, you can go ahead and use pejoratives, but it is best not to follow them up with a post that agrees with the premise you object to: that there is no evidence to support the claim.

Not one elite college I am aware of has said they have a problem caused by grade inflation (OR test optional even though that was not part of the thread!).  In fact, most of them are doing just fine in admissions, taking pretty much the same kind of kids, and not reporting spiked first year dropout rates.

If you want to wait a few years for employment data and 4 year graduation rates and come back and mea culpa, that's fine.  I can wait.  But we agree there is no evidence to support your claim, other than your random speculation which is likely driven by ideology.[/quote]

MIT did.[/quote]

Wrong and untrue.  They simply went back to using test scores after Covid.  They never said they were unable to admit an MIT quality cohort without them.

But again, this thread, and the post above, was not about TO, but about GPA, so it is irrelevant anyway.  They definitely never said grade inflation was causing them to have a poor class.
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MIT did say that grades alone were not sufficiently predictive of success after admission.

https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/we-are-reinstating-our-sat-act-requirement-for-future-admissions-cycles/

“Our research shows this predictive validity holds even when you control for socioeconomic factors that correlate with testing. It also shows that good grades in high school do not themselves necessarily translate to academic success at MIT if you cannot account for testing.”

They also noted the impact of the pandemic on student preparation:

“The pandemic has only made this more clear, because classroom work and assessment have been just as disrupted as access to the tests, if not more so, and for longer periods of time, disproportionately affecting the most socioeconomically disadvantaged students. We know that the pandemic’s effects on grades and courses will linger for years, but the tests can give students a more recent opportunity to show that they have made up lost ground.⁠”

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