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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Tesla will never be that valuable again. It has no moat and too many competitors now [/quote]

Tesla has  a moat.  It is called the Tesla supercharger network.  If you use precondition the battery during long road trips it is significantly quicker and more reliable than any other network in USA and Canada.  Some of the newer cars can charge faster that’s a Tesla on a roadtrip but the competing Electrify America charger network is not nearly as reliable.[/quote]

I don’t think it’s much of a moat. 99.2 percent of US daily car trips are under 100 miles.  There are very few long trips and very few of the people who make them choose to drive EVs and of that set fewer are buying Teslas.  Sell.[/quote]

Very true.  We've had a Tesla for 3 years now and I think we've used a public charger 3 times.  It is true that we don't usually use the Tesla for longer trips because [b]it's kind of a pain to recharge on the way.  It's our commuter car.[/b][/quote]

That's exactly my fear!  Unless battery technology gets way more efficient so i can go from here to, say, Chicago in one charge, EVs will continue to be glorified, expensive golf carts.  [/quote]

While I agree that batteries need to get better before mass adoption, DC to Chicago is a ridiculous standard.  No ICE car can go anywhere near that far on a tank, and very few people would do it without stopping for bathroom and meal breaks.  I think something like 400 mile range will be enough.  That gets you 5-6 hours of driving at highway speeds, which is what most people will do without stopping anyway.  There are a few EVs out there already that can do this, but most are stuck somewhere in the 200-250 range.  That makes them great for commuting to work, running errands, etc., but not great for long trips.[/quote]

I think that 600-700 mile range would be ideal as the range drops by as much as 50% during very cold weather. [/quote]

The battery on my 2018 model 3 has lost about 35 miles range in the 4 years I've owned it.

This.  What the PP described (200-250 range; running errands, etc.) is a glorified golf cart.  For 20K? I'll buy one of those.  For $50K+, no f'in way![/quote][/quote]

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