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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]1. Not ADD: While others may have been better students because they were neurotypical, that doesn't mean they are smarter. If a school only wants neurotypical students, then they can keep accepting 4.7 kids with 1700 SAT scores.

2. Cheating: My child spent four hours on a project when others spent 15 minutes cheating. So there's another reason. Some of the so-called "better students" are cheating.

3. Rich AF: Some of the "better students" are merely rich. Jared Kushner. George Bush (C Student at Yale) Do you think Ivanka Trump (Penn) could have been a "better student"? LOL!

4. Zero Support for College: My parents knew zilch about applying to schools and didn't help me at all. With zero support and an undiagnosed learning disability, I got decent grades, placed into gifted classes, and accepted into a state flagship.

I'm surprised you couldn't think of the reasons yourself, OP. 
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You really think kids are ‘cheating’ themselves into top colleges?  You think you know they are cheating and their teachers, guidance counselors and the admissions officers do not?

OP has his point slightly wrong.  They may not be ‘better students’ because that is subjective and for everyone.  They are ‘better candidates’ because that is objective and set by the colleges and their admissions departments, and totally whatever they think that means.  As it should be.[/quote]

Actually, there is a lot more cheating going on than when we were in high school, especially since the pandemic. We who work in the schools are aware of it and doing what we can to stop it/convince them they're not helping themselves any in the long run. It's not easy when they feel such ridiculous pressure to have as high a GPA as possible and aren't focused on learning the skills as much as they should be.[/quote]

That’s irrelevant to the PPs claim kids were cheating themselves into top schools.  [/quote]

Do you really believe that there are so many kids who, at ages 14-17 are so mature and long-term goal focused that they can graduate with a 4.5 (no mistakes, high rigor), a 1490+, multiple sports, leadership positions, awards, volunteer work, and have such great personalities that they get glowing letters of Rec  that all the best schools can fill their freshmen classes with them?  I couldn’t hold my laughter writing that. It’s absurd.  Lots of lying, cheating, and unethical assistance going on from the kids and parents. And lots of pretending not to notice from schools- both high schools and colleges. [/quote]

Well since you can’t believe it, it must be true!  And you know it but the people working at the high schools and colleges don’t!  You’ve blown the lid off the situation!

Honestly, cheating is a thing, but no, top students do not get there by cheating.  They just don’t.  You’re wrong. And yes, there are plenty of kids who can do things that seem exceptional to the rest of us.  Loads of them, actually.[/quote]

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