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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Yale seems insensitive. However, they have a huge liability if the student stays. What if they have a complete breakdown and shoot up a classroom? Then you would all blame Yale.

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If only there were options between expulsion and doing nothing.[/quote]

They should call it a medical leave, should behave humanely, should have excellent care on campus and provide support for return if it’s possible but the fact is kids who have attempted suicide absolutely need a leave. I said this earlier but imagine if an employer had an employee attempt suicide in the workplace and the person came back after the weekend with no break and no further evaluation for ability to safely return-it would not be safe or appropriate for the employee and it would not be safe and fair to coworkers. [/quote]

There’s no way an employer would prevent an employee from returning. That’s a lawsuit waiting to happen. The Yale situation was like firing an employee for a suicide attempt, which would be an unwinnable lawsuit for the employer.[/quote]

Yale actually handled it well by hospitalizing her and recognizing the problem.  The parents didn't.  This is not an employer situation and two very different issues.[/quote]

Yale didn’t hospitalize her. They were informed after the attempt, and then all they did was pressure her to leave voluntarily so that they didn’t need to refund her tuition over an involuntary (and probably illegal) expulsion.[/quote]

That's probably not why they wanted her to withdraw. Come on. Why jump to that conclusion?[/quote]

Clearly yale’s behavior leaves a lot (!) to be desired but do you genuinely think kids who attempt suicide are less likely to attempt an again (and possibly succeed) if they go straight from their 48 hrs admission straight back to the same setting with no certainty if follow up or anyone even knowing? Part of being discharged from the hospital after a suicide attempt is the medical staff feeling confident there is appropriate safe follow up such that they are less likely to simply re-attempt. That *never* involves-“don’t tell anyone including the people I live with and simply return to my routine on Sunday after an earnest attempt to kill myself friday!” [/quote]

If would he better for them to stay in an environment with friends, reduce their classes to 2 or even 1, join a support group and do weekly therapy.

That way they stay involved in moving forward in a positive way, but learn to slowly manage mental health, engaging with community, etc.

It’s actually explained in the link yo how BU handles it or the guide to returning to school after taking a break.

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I don't know what BU charges but I don't know how anyone could actually afford this financially. Leave of absence, as another PP stated, would be better. Reducing course load might not be realistic financially. Plus, no one wants to take more than four years to graduate at a place like Yale. It's perceived as failure. Not saying it should be, but that's how it is.[/quote]

I went to BU.  I can tell you its a huge school and no one would even know you exist so that's probably why they don't care if they are more liberal about it.  [/quote]

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