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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Comparing Saddam to Putin probably isn’t the winning argument you seem to think. [/quote]

I'm not comparing Putin to Saddam. I'm comparing a falsehood-inspired hysteria against Saddam and the terrible consequences it visited upon Iraq to the current discourse about Putin.

But you probably think the war in Iraq is a forgivable indiscretion because it's not like the bomb came down on your own house.   Half a million dead brown people, meh, who cares.  Let's weep for the blue-eyed instead.[/quote]

The war in iraq was wrong.  but you obviously know two wrongs don't make a right.  Just because the United States has done bad things doesn't mean that Putin isn't an idiot who should have known better and who is obviously in the wrong.[/quote]

That may all be true but what would you respond to Putin saying - hey, your president, too, invaded another country, that doesn't even share a border with you, for stupid made-up reasons, killed half a million people, and nothing really bad happened to him or your country.  So why do you say I'm not allowed to do the same?  [/quote]

jeesh... I'd say exactly the same thing I said to you.  Two wrongs don't make a right, and why on earth would you punish Ukraine for something the US did?  and anyway he is not invading Ukraine in retaliation for Iraq, he is invading Ukraine because he is a greedy sob.[/quote]

Well we don’t really know why the US invaded Iraq, but there is no good answer to the question of why some countries are allowed to invade others and some are not. The invasion of Iraq was a lot more gruesome with  a much higher body count, yet nothing happened to the government that led the invasion of the people of its country. In fact, I’m sure you’d be bubbling with rage if anyone suggested that American people ought to be denied visas or bank accounts due to the actions of their government. Why is that ? Are Iraqis less sympathetic ? Less relatable? Legitimate prey? Why did the world not weep for Iraqis the way it wept for Ukrainians? Because their invader is  more powerful? [/quote]

This line of thought is just so odd to me.  Thing A was really bad and I'm upset about it so therefore Thing B that is really bad is ok?  If you cared about Iraq then you should care about Ukraine.  If you were upset about Iraq then you should be upset about Ukraine.[/quote]

I’m upset about Ukraine. I’m upset about the hypocrisy too. No one here was upset about the dead Iraqis either.

The more accurate representation would be “the guy who got away scot free after doing Thing A is now lecturing the world about the evil of Thing B, which is a smaller version of Thing A but done but someone else.”[/quote]

Such American parochialism and self indulgence. You want to centre this conflict about being about the US but the Russian invasion of Ukraine is not taking place in America and its greatest impact is on people far beyond American shores.  I'm from Europe and, as you are well aware, the vast majority of European countries did not support the invasion of Iraq.  In fact, millions across Europe demonstrated against the Iraq invasion. We weren't happy about dead Iraqis.  You can self-flagellate over your hypocrisy but people right now are starving due to wheat shortages across north Africa.  And many of those same Europeans who did not support the invasion of Iraq face a pretty dismal winter.  Please get over your hypocrisy and just learn from it.[/quote]

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