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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It is crazy to be when FCPS decided to move high schools to a later start time that they sacrificed middle school start times to make it work. Arguably middle schoolers need more sleep than high school students.  I get the logistics problems, but it sucks.  [/quote]'

FCPS held several informational forums around the county when it was reaching the decision on later HS start times. Those sessions were incredibly informative:

--Doctors from Children's Hospital talked about how older teens are wired --not by choice, actually physically wired -- to not be able to fall asleep super early and get up and be functional super early. Going to bed early often means they are lying there not going to sleep, only "going to bed."  Same could be said for MS students, I know, but the difference is:
--[i]MS is only two years, HS is four, and [i]HS is when the grades truly count[/i] for things like college applications and other post-HS destinations. So giving high schoolers the most beneficial rest schedule, leading, one hopes, to better academics, gets priority.[/i] This one seemed to be the real driver. [b]MS is over in half the time of HS and HS, bluntly, matters more.[/b]
--Most of the United States has used later HS start times than we were using here in Fairfax County, for years. FCPS was the outlier. The sessions included stats on MS and HS start times nationwide and I"m not going to dig them up right now, but FCPS was one of few school systems with those very early HS start times/buses.
--Buses. No one can make more buses and crucailly, more drivers, simply appear. Many buses have to do double runs. Someone has to be the early run.

These information sessions were well run and participatory too -- the organizers took question after question from parents. The upshot is, the solution of early MS and somewhat later HS is the best the system could do, short of somehow laying on many, many more buses, gas, drivers, etc. Not ideal for every child but better for the children in HS. This post will draw complaints  from DCUM FCPS parents about buses (why can't we just buy more?) and about HS (why is MS less important?) and specific kids' needs (My MS kid is wired to be awake later and rise later too). But I'm noting that FCPS did at least get out and give parents opportunities to hear why the plan was done.

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I agree with this and that’s what I keep telling myself. MS is low stakes and grades won’t count. I think more rest in HS is better.  It still sucks for MS though. [/quote]

Except there are kids taking WL and Math that does count. [/quote]

Yes. And those students are relatively few (MS students taking languages and math that counts for HS credits).Should we adjust all MS start times  just for that relatively small group of MS students? Nope, because it would probably affect HS start times which we just got pushed later a few years ago. Sorry, but the needs of the MS students who choose to do HS credit courses in MS can't outweigh the needs of HS students overall. [/quote]

What? Most 8th graders take a Language and Algebra 1? I would not say a few. No one is saying high school students should go early.

It should be ES, High School than MS with school hours. [/quote]

Yup. MS could take the late ES slot. [/quote]

As long as they bus students to AAP, ES need that later start. If they went first everything else would run late. I guess they could build in more time, but that would pay MS and HS even further.[/quote]

Not all of the AAP centers are late schools so that argument does not work. [/quote]

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