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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]SAT scores do not measure intelligence or college readiness I know of some very bright kids who had to go to work during high school years to help support their parents/family Every kid doesn’t have full support, or safe stable home for the 18 years of life Despite that some of those have managed to do well later on in life Learning doesn’t end when you graduate. I am in IT and am constantly studying and acquiring new skills College was just a foundation that opens the door to the profession, thereafter you have the skills to open a book and self teach yourself what you need to know [/quote] While they do not “measure” IQ, as they are not an intelligence test per se, SAT scores are nonetheless highly correlated with IQ. Let’s not imply otherwise. [/quote] But also tied with SES and the accumulated educational supports over a lifetime that come with higher SES.[/quote] Of course — and so is IQ. [/quote] SAT is an achievement test. It test a very narrow range of facts, concepts and skills. The more you are exposed, taught and practice these things the better one does on the test. With a little work one could write a program that would get a prefect on the SATs every time. [/quote] Not IQ. College Board agrees with me. It correlates to having a good grounding in reading skills and algebra. So (mostly affluent) kids from better schools will have years and years of cumulative advantage that can’t be overcome in a few weeks prep course. It’s not terribly helpful in comparing the IQs of a big city, $50,000/year private school lifer with a kid from public school in Appalachia. If you compare 2 kids from the same school, the SAT *might* measure different abilities or it might just favor the one who does well on multiple choice tests. The other student might in fact do better on open ended exams (which are more like you get in college and more like life). I’m not saying the SAT/ACT should be eliminated entirely. I was respond to the PP who said they were more important than grades. I don’t think so. I actually do think they can help contextualize grades. So the 1000 scorer with a 4.0 would raise questions that needed answers to decide if they really can hack it. But given the same GPA the difference between a 1400 and 1600 is negligible and shouldn’t really matter at all. The can both likely handle the work at any university. So we need stop creating environments where kids feel compelled to retake when they have a 1540 or whatever. Putting that much effort into a standardized tests detracts from learning NEW or deeper material in school. Which is really the point, after all. [/quote]
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