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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It’s an interesting point. My son is a small 7 and he is racing against kids that turned 9 mid season. There is a huge difference between a 7 year old and a 9 year old in height, weight, strength. [/quote]

Hang on…wait til your swimmer is 11 swimming against that kid when he’s 13. [/quote]

You poor thing. Your 11 year old swimmer must not be very fast. My 11 year old swimmer can hold their own against the 13 year olds. [/quote]
Gosh.  You're an awful person.  Get help.

[b]Parents of kids with summer birthdays are used to always having their kid be the youngest.  It happens over and over.  It seems a bit ridiculous to hear the parents of kids with school year birthdays to suddenly get bent out of shape that their kid no longer has the advantage in just this one thing.[/b]  They'll harp on and on about how redshirting is wrong and age cut offs must be respected.  Or how after 1st grade it doesn't really matter that their kid is 12 months older, that doesn't give an advantage, their kid is just very athletic.  Yet here there is just one June 1st cutoff--the only one I've ever heard of--and those same parents are up in arms.  Well, welcome to how it feels.  It's no different than my 8 yo being in basketball tryouts with almost 11 yos who have already hit puberty and have 40 lbs and 14 inches on her.  (And in this case the disadvantage is only for the fun summer season, your kid can still do winter swim with age cutoffs.  With basketball it's the same cutoff for rec, AAU and travel so she'll never have an opportunity to not be the very youngest.)[/quote]

Yes, its this exactly that is rubbing me the wrong way.  I have 2 summer bday kids (who are not club swimmers).  When I first read this thread, I thought well I was not allowed to make excuses for my kids behavior in school "because they were the youngest" nor do I make excuses in all the other sports they participate in by grade level where redshirted kids are literally 3 years older than my kids.  I just let them play the sport and strive to get better.  I have one kid that is tiny and that kid is often 8-10 inches shorter than the other kids on the soccer field.  They have had to learn over the years not to be afraid to get in there and mix it up with the bigger kids if they want to get the ball.

Let's be real, for most/all of our kids sports is a way to have fun, teach discipline and sportsmanship.  This thread leaves a bad taste in my mouth about swim in general.  I am so happy to watch my kids do the cheers, hang over lanes to encourage their friends and goof around between races (especially after 2 years of covid). [b] Parents who are complaining about a random date, [/b]please don't ruin it for the rest of us.[/quote]

I think what leaves a bad taste in my mouth is that the league used to age up on your birthday LIKE THE REST OF THE SPORT.  But some parents that wanted to give an advantage to their summer birthday children (perhaps because as you have just complained your kid is the youngest, or they are up against redshirted kids 3 years older, etc) NOW wanted their kid to be the three year older kid crushing another.  They intentionally gave them an advantage to disadvantage others.  For swimmers that is tough, because swimming is all about the birthday and being FAIR.  They took a fair system and made it unfair - and in some cases very unfair.  A 19 year old D1 swimmer has no place coming back to summer, mixed age teams - should be the actual age, etc.[/quote]

Please identify the 19 year old D1 swimmer.  I have a hard time believing this is actually happening
https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders[/quote]

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