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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Texas doesn’t “own” people who are in Texas. They aren’t citizens of Texas. They are citizens of the US or some other nation. Texas can require residents to pay state and local taxes, get a Texas drivers license, etc. but those things don’t give Texas control over those people. I can have a Texas ID, pay taxes, vote, etc. in Texas and none of that gives Texas any authority to prevent me from leaving the state. They have no legal basis to even ask why anyone is leaving.  [/quote]

You need to read up on Texas’ bounty law.  Which is being copied by other states.

I’m not understanding why people are refusing to believe what is already happening.  The objective is to turn back the clock.  [/quote]

I don’t think people disagree that various states haven’t passed horrifically restrictive laws. But just because some rights have been abridged does not mean there are grounds to abridge others. Or that people post-Dobbs should stop fighting for obvious rights/ against state authority (eg inter-state travel) that clearly still provide protections.[/quote]

The problem is you're using logic and fair play to discuss a legal issue with a group who is more into guns, book burning, cherry picking bible quotes to justify racism and misogyny, yelling, and punishing. You know that expression about bringing a knife to a gun fight? This is more extreme. You're showing up to their biblical, wrath of god/smite the whores and anyone else who got too uppity kind of war with an etiquette book.

One of the people responsible for creating the language of these laws against women literally testified to congress that the case of the 10 year old child who was raped and denied an abortion in her state wasn't actually an abortion. That's a problem on so many levels. She lied to congress. She tried to redefine what she's legislating against off the books. She's gaslighting. She's a leader for their movement, doing the opposite of logic. She's educated, so she knows damn good and well what she's doing. It's not like she was someone new to the discussion who got tripped up on her words but if you let her explain she can tell you what she meant and then it all makes sense.

No, it's not allowed for states to restrict travel to another state for healthcare, shopping, vacationing, whatever. But how are you going to stop them when they decide that's what they're going to do? When the police set up a barricade at the state line, are you going to drive through it? Have a shootout? Sneak through the woods and have someone pick you up when you get across the border? No, states can't make laws about what happens in other states. But what are you going to do when they issue a warrant for you for performing a service or paying for your daughter's abortion when she comes home from college in a red state where she has an apartment and votes and legally resides? Ignore it, hope the blue state you're in doesn't extradite you? Pay for legal fees to fight it in courts? Keep your daughter in your state and have her drop out of school and lose her apartment and all her belongings? Let her go back and never visit her, because if you cross state lines, they'll arrest you when they run your driver's license info in a "routine" traffic stop and realize there's a warrant out for you for some sort of murder conspiracy or aiding and abetting someone receiving healthcare?

It doesn't matter if you're technically correct. What matters is what's happening in real life, and how they're actively trying to ruin people's lives. They're willing to let women die. They're happy to ruin people financially to prove their point. [b]And there's little you can do to stop them[/b]. [/quote]

I don’t think we disagree on the intent or even some of the possible attempted tactics of the far right - but we part ways on the above.  I think it is dangerous to just paint the worst case scenario and insist we are helpless against it. There is no deus ex machina that is going to swoop in to save us. This is not the playing field I would have chosen (in a million years) but there are plenty of ways to resist and fight this both in the courts and other venue - and it starts by not just conceding to ridiculous arguments that states can bar interstate travel and enforce their laws across state borders without check.[/quote]

Let's see if the Ds are able to align on a path forward and craft legislation that has a shot in hell of passing.   Dont hold your breath though. Because passing national legislation would 1) require limits on how old the fetus is, in order to pass, and 2) take away an incentive for people to vote D by making the issue moot. [/quote]

Nothing will pass without either a landslide blue wave or breaking the filibuster, which won't happen unless the D's hold serve and add Fetterman and Ryan at a minimum.[/quote]

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