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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]DD with GPA 4.52 (Junior year), 1580 SAT, all 5s in all her 8 APs from TJ with excellent ECs for CS, volunteering/community service and an internship did not get into any of the Ivies and waitlisted at CMU. Major - CS. Obviously we are disappointed. College admissions seems like a lottery. [/quote]

Its not as much of a lottery as some try to convinces themselves

The ivies are seeking exceptionalism which could include but not necessarily be restricted to GPA and have distinguished themselves their multi-centuries consistent abilities to identify and select exceptional individuals

So the question is who should Harvard take, your kid who scored a 1580 or Al Gore who scored 1355.  Your kid could certainly be more talented with better future success than Al Gore, but obviously Gore was a very successful admit by any measure.  Other SAT scores:

George Bush:  Yale (Governor, President + Veteran) - 1200
John Kerry: Yale (Senator, Secretary of State, etc. + US Navy veteran awarded the Silver Star and Bronze Star with valor) - 1190
Bill Clinton:  Georgetown, not ivy but elite (Governor, President) - 1030
Al Franken:  Harvard (Comedian, Senator) - 1020

Also, David Hogg was admitted to Harvard with a 1270

Not necessarily a fan of any of the above but objectively they seem to know how to identify and "pick" exceptional talent
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You have listed "exceptional" talent in only one area - Leadership/Politics. My kid will definitely not be as exceptional as those you have listed in this field but her chosen field is CS .. She has academic and extra-curricular credentials to justify that she has the "potential" to be exceptional in her chosen field. I guess that should be acknowledged and accepted in atleast one of the top schools in my opinion. [/quote]

Is she white?   If so - thousands of others are ahead of  her. I am sorry. She will do well in life because she works hard.  Best.[/quote]

NP. Thousands ahead of her?  A female from the number 1 stem HS in the country at the top of her class in GPA? I don’t think so[/quote]

Your extremely high stats kid is a dime a dozen in the very top schools’ applicant pool.[/quote]

Ugh. Not the "dime a dozen" poster again! I really hate that phrase, but there is a correlative point that is important. PPP, a top girl stats-wise from TJ should do well, but the stats are the base level for consideration, not the end all be all. If the stats are all she has, make sure you have plenty of target and safety schools (& I mean true targets and safeties). There is much to love about mid tier schools, and they may offer great merit to a high stats kid. If you want top-rated, name-prestige schools, she will have to stand out with national awards, great recs and school-specific fantastic essays if no other hooks. It can be done, but don't count on it. Even with these perks, have some targets and safeties in the mix. Also, consider what schools might be the best fit for her, and where she can shine. It might not be what you think. Mine did not apply to Harvard because she didn't like the competitive culture. She was fortunate enough to get into most of the tops schools she applied for, but she was prepared to go to one of the safeties (which was all she had for a long time) and found things to love about them. We are MCPS magnet.[/quote]

The point is that for every high stat kid from tj in the top 25% of the class they are competing with at least 10+ equally high stat kids from throughout the US and the world, and of these the T5 or T10 will take maybe 1?  The problem is that the T5s and T10s reserve between 10% and 20% of their class to academically dramatically underqualified students from the urm category

The supreme court review on the white/asian discrimination issue will be telling on which way the country will go on this topic, it could get worse, stay the same, or it could potentially get better for these high stat no hook white/asian kids depending on the result
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There is so much wrong w/ this. Firstly, have you been some of these top schools? They are heavily white and Asian. They NEED diversity to enhance the education! Secondly, what makes you think that URM admits are "under"qualified? When did you become the arbiter of "qualifications?" This notion that there is a specific bar based on testing (which is NOT an indicator of intelligence) and grades is a fallacy. While those are factors, there are other factors too. I suggest reading Jeff Selingo's book on college admissions. There are not set qualifications. These are (in many cases) private institutions who are building a class. They do not have quotas per school or for URMs for that matter, but they do want diversity. What different perspective will student X bring to the college? That's why no school wants all CS kids who do robotics.   I'm sure TJ has more than 1 kid get into top schools in most years (I know of at least 5 from our magnet admitted to one top school alone). Stop playing the victim drama. If you want to stand out and appeal to top schools, diversify your kid's interests/skills. Show the school that your kid really loves that school with fantastic and specific essays.  Some kids shoot the Ivies and top 10 for status, and it shows in their essays. It's not just about race.  If you are going to be upset by admissions priorities, get upset by large donors and legacy admits!

Signed, White parent whose kid was admitted to several Ivy/T10.[/quote]

Diversity is woke bs

The issue is that large portions of whites and asians are specifically excluded from real opportunities for no other reason than the color of their skin in order to reserve slots for and only for urms regardless of qualifications and yes while the urm in theory may be more "qualified" in reality this is not the case

The ivies and other elite colleges are majority white or white jews + asians but that is because these kids have been selected from the "real" pool of applicants in competition with 20, 30, 50+ other candidates for each slot, once a cap is reached then the door is closed for these people regardless of what they bring to the table - this is obviously morally wrong from a humanistic perspective

In reality this is doing a massive dis-service to the urms because it treats them as handicapped people

Also, an ivy league grad from an extended family with many ivies, but the stories of these academically exceptional + strong ec kids not getting into T10s or T20s in favor of a system to allow a group of students in based on racist policies is a systemic problem[/quote]

Your bias and bitterness have warped your ability to be rational. Stop the conspiracy theory crap. Stop assuming urms are "underqualified in practice." You don't know this. Realize that there are far more extremely high achieving kids than spaces at Ivy League institutions. The admits are highly "qualified." Stop separating people by race or assuming diversity is "bs." Get some diversity in your life. There is no "shut door" or hard cap. Read what I wrote earlier. Successful applications are about far more than base stats. Your perspective is exceedingly narrow. My kid is from the hardest demographic to earn admittance to Ivy league, and yet they were. In the most competitive year. The edge clearly didn't come from demographics, it came from outstanding essays, noteworthy awards, leadership, recommendations and great ECs. High stats got the foot in the door. That's all. but, go ahead and think that an URM is stealing your kid's spot. Heaven forbid they should try to actively earn it. And, completely disregard the large donors, legacies, networked and athletes. This is what tells me that you are the racist entity here.[/quote]

Lol you are delusional and in a bubble

I'm not a urm but have a nephew that is a urm through and he is at a T3 now, as an uncle I was obviously elated that he was accepted but as an ivy grad was dumbfounded particularly since everybody in our extended family could compare the non-urm kids at ivies to this particularly nephew.  I have a niece from the same family and now we are anticipating the same preferential treatment which for our particular family is great, but for the endless supply of kids from tj etc that are more typical of what we were used to as classmates at ivies honestly feel bad for them and an objective sense of inequity

By the way, when comparing academics, test scores, ecs, athletics, interpersonal skills, etc. we can see an enormous difference in our particular extended families case.  The crazy thing is that he is a urm but from a wealthy white collar family but probably a top 25% introverted student with the only distinguishing characteristics being that he can check the urm box + happens to be 6'6" but unfortunately zero athletic abilities or desire, he is the type of kid people would want to succeed but we are still baffled how he got it, he is doing reasonably well so he is clearly capable of succeeding at the T3 academically but its obvious that others were objectively more deserving[/quote]

You call me delusional and in a bubble because I presented rational data points, but then you counter with a singular anecdote and ranting? Talk about a bubble.  You are clearly obsessed with your own limited perspective and not able to take on new information. Whatever,  dude.  [/quote]

Your cope + seething post was idiotic lol

Let's make this simple for you to understand, student-athletes that are strong academically + D1 level athletes get first priority in admissions at the ivies.  Others will get in, but after this group is admitted.  This position is supported by the vast majority of those that donate and manage the ivies and will continue to be this way until the end of time.[/quote]

You seem to be insulting the wrong person. You've got your threads mixed up. Not surprised. Hope all these insults and rants purge your bitter soul.[/quote]

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