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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's true that all major religions were very misogynistic when created, but most have become more gender-neutral in practice. Why hasn't Islam followed suit? Why can't women drive in Saudi Arabia? And I honestly can't believe that people on this board are defending the 'women's word is worth 1/2 of men's.'  I believe in countries like Pakistan, you need 4 witnesses to report a rape. As if that ever happens. [/quote]

I don't see anyone defending anything. Just trying to explain. Islam is very often practiced liberally. Mostly in the west, but also in the upper classes of many predominantly Muslim countries.     Culture has a huge influence, and Indonesian Muslims practice Islam very differently than Saudis, for example.

It's not 4 witnesses for rape. It's 4 witnesses to prove adultery. Huge difference.[/quote]

OP here: There are definitely a lot of rules that need to be further explained because they certainly make Muslims societies look paternalistic and oppressive to women. Some Shaira laws are indeed very oppressive to women. But if you just look at the Quran and not the Sharia the rules can be explained well. The requirement for witnesses was implemented in order to protect WOMEN. Sometimes men would accuse women of adultery. If the account of only one witness were to suffice what if that one witness was lying? Thus, four witnesses are required to bring a case against a woman accused of adultery. It makes it very hard to bring a case against a woman, let alone convict her then. [/quote]

But whatever the origin, it leads to such difficult consequences. A woman cannot prove rape unless she has 4 witnesses. This is regardless of whether she is married, or one of the rapists is married.  If she charges rape but can't produce the 4 witnesses, then she herself is charged with adultery and subject to a prescribed punishment, whipping or stoning, I forget which. Also, there is no such thing as rape within marriage.[/quote]

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