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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The playbook is Grozny - pound Ukraine into submission, even if destroys all infrastructure and the populace is decimated. Elevate a ruthless strongman Ukrainian-native mobster to be the Governor that answers only to Putin.

Look at all the Chechen forces Putin has at his disposal. They are all the kids born during or after the Chechen war; they've been thoroughly placated and brainwashed to fight on behalf of the monster who murdered all their relatives.

That's the playbook for Ukraine.[/quote]

This. P is a monster. He's destroying infrastructure as we speak. It's even in his interests if most of the Ukrainians flee to Europe as it will inevitably cause more instability in the region. Look at how Germany reacted to 1 million immigrants. What do they think about letting in millions more?

Yes, Europe loves Ukrainians now, but the population of Ukraine is over 40 million. Where will all those people go? [/quote]

I agree that the Grozny/Aleppo playbook may come up since Russia did not have it easy as when it invaded Crimea and unless it goes for a very bloody (for Russians) block by block urban warfare its only option is bombing Ukraine down to the ground.

however, I think there is one major issue. Chechens, Syrians and so on were seen as "others", Chechen especially were likely seen by most Russians as sort of semi-barbaric tribes from far in  the mountains, easier for the Russian propaganda to smear them and justify the mayhem. with the Ukrainians, this is a totally another story. they are the same as Russians, they look the same, speak the same, have the same religion mostly, Kyiv was a capital for slavish people when Moscow was a village, their towns look like Russian towns. it will be much more difficult for the Russian propaganda to have Russian accept tons of Russian deaths  and gazillion civilian Ukrainian deaths and the destruction of Kyiv and other town Grozny-style [/quote]

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