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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The troll poster that wants to cancel Shakespeare is just an inarticulate version of a much more pernicious current. The ‘sophisticated’ scholars where these ideas originate are in the humanities departments at prestigious universities.

This is the current analysis on Shakespeare that draws that inspiration and there are countless ‘works’ in this vein:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/s41280-020-00169-6

In a nutshell, Shakespeare is harmful to black kids because whiteness.

The reason ‘middle aged’ (I know, the horror!) people still appreciate Shakespeare with all the good reasons presented in this thread is that they weren’t exposed to the critical studies ideas that dominate universities today. The woke cancel culture mob representatives are just parroting the line presented to them in college in the past 5-10 years.[/quote]

I am not black. I am Asian but of course you would work from a black/white paradigm. And you lost the plot because I never said let’s cancel Shakespeare. I said it’s funny there’s a whole long question about this and continuous comment complaining and digging for Shakespeare. At the same time on another thread there are continuous comments fighting against things like restorative justice, equity, and learning history other than the white one.

You all should read Ego is the enemy, you’re always in it. This isn’t about white bad black good. Unfortunately there are good and bad people in all ethnic groups. Acknowledging that white privilege is a part of why this post has become popular does not mean Shakespeare needs to die.
I’ve already said at least when I was at Walls I did read it. And that’s only one school, I’m quite sure other schools in dcps read it.

Your culture is not in danger, the literary works of white authors is not in danger. That is why this thread is so funny. It’s also a cop out to cry anytime someone points out whiteness as a factor to anything. I am sorry you feel attacked and don’t want to hear about whiteness anymore, I don’t either but this is the world your ancestors created.

The colonizer comment was meant to incite anger, I am sure but it had some modicum of truth.

Shakespeare is fine.[/quote]

I did not claim you are black, it doesn't matter to me what your race is. I claimed that your views on Shakespeare are just an unrefined version of the current sweeping the academia under the umbrella of name-your-grievance studies and as of late, witeness studies. The link I posted is just one of the many examples of shoddy scholarship that aims to legitimize your view that Shakespeare is not relevant or is even bad for various classes of students because is an exponent of colonialism, oppression and white supremacy.

Youre are so ignorant! You have no idea who my ancestors are, what they created, and you know nothing about my culture. Just stupid and silly generalizations of categorizing people in boxes that fit your narrative. I came to US in my 20's from Eastern Europe. Shakespeare is part of my heritage now not through me being white, but through learning the culture of my adoptive country. I'll make sure my son reads Shakespeare, not because of whiteness, but because I recognize literary genius, and because it will make him a better a more complex human being.

Just to probe how shallow you are, what is whiteness to you?
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“ in a nutshell [b]Shakespeare is harmful to BLACK kids because of whiteness[/b]” but whateverrr.

Sigh, why do people like you assume I think white people cannot suffer? Of course you surely can and like any other human you deserve love and empathy. That is separate from white privilege.

And you know very well whiteness is what you are NOT. Asians used to be classified as ‘white’ until they were excluded because of course we come in all shades and racism. I should have to explain this to you, especially since you are so educated about Shakespeare lol. Gotta say though Stratford-upon-Avon is beautiful.[/quote]

I just summarized what was written in the abstract of the paper that I linked. I wated to spare the forum readers, but if you want the unadulterated word salad version, there you go:

"My confession, to which I turn at the close of this essay, rehearses a pedagogical experience wherein the wages of whiteness exact their usual cost from me and my students, demanding that we yield to white practices of knowledge-making in Shakespeare".

This is your point of view, slightly changed but the essence is the same.

Why this obsession in considering the race of the creator as part of judging the value of his work, even when the concept of race came about centuries after the death of said creator? Somehow you consider culture generated in the European area as 'white', and related with oppression. Why isn't Shakespeare part of the heritage of a black, hispanic or asian child and relevant to their experience? Because of skin color, or because it was written in English? In your view we are supposed to claim our culture and heritage as narrow as possible as to not offend the cultural appropriation hystheria.

You are actually part of the problem. You are conflating episodes of past atrocities with western culture. In this thread it's Shakespeare, elsewhere math is racist and an embodiment of white supremacy (no hyperbole, this is exactly what they claim).

I wouldn't normally care, but this culture war is starting to affect my child because it's spilling into the education system, and this is really pissing me off. Thats why I am arguing with you, your views are toxic and need to be countered and challenged.
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I’m sorry you feel your child deserves to live in a world where white supremacy continues.

Also stop being obtuse, is this on purpose? I never said the idea of teaching Shakespeare is ‘bad.’ I said THIS thread shows how this forum favors topics popular among middle class , generally middle aged white women and that those topics are so irrelevant. Especially since it is indeed being taught.

While you are disparaging the effort to discipline kids beyond suspension and expulsion, you sit here and cry about Shakespeare.

Have your child go to a white private school because this kind of language will continue to get popular, especially with younger millennials and gen z.
You may indoctrinate your child with your beliefs and continue to add to the problem.

You have not summarized my beliefs and the fact that you post the same useless dribble and try to ‘school’ me is hilarious. I was not the one who cried about colonialism but I do think having a diverse set of literature is important. Shakespeare is only a small part and like I said is not in any danger, yet certain white people feel the need to commune and have another thing to be outraged about. Enjoy your fake outrage party.[/quote]

I am paying for the public education of my child with my own taxes and I should have a say in it, thankfully it's not up to you. Who is being obtuse here? You just claimed I feel that my child deserves to live in a world where white supremacy continues. Freshman psych, much?

It was said on the thread that teaching Shakespeare is "glorifying colonial oppression", and that "white people are colonizers". I suspect it was still you, because I can't imagine there is another person making the same dumb comments, you are truly unique in this respect. It's not fake outrage if it's in response to an outrageous statement.

No idea what you are talking about with disparaging the effort to discipline beyond expulsion, you really confused me here, I suspect it's some woke jargony stuff.

What kind of 'diverse set of literature' (lol, really) is important to you? Give us some examples of literary work you find appropriate for high school.

And what's with the superiority complex you have towards white middle aged women, why do you keep bringing that up?
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Unresolved mommy issues[/quote]

At least I have one.[/quote]

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