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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b][quote=Anonymous]Here’s the words that stand in it to me in the thread title: Give Up.  If the first time men aren’t the dominant demo in an institution society places a high value on and their reaction is to give up, maybe they don’t belong in college.

I wonder what would happen to these poor fragile men if large numbers were sexually assaulted and sexually harassed at school and in the workplace with no consequences to the perpetuators; were raped and force to carry pregnancies to term; had their civil rights taken away; were disadvantaged by an old girls network; were paid less for equal work; we forced to bear children the didn’t want; had a glass ceiling; were significantly under-represented in Congress, the judiciary, corporate boardrooms and C-suites; had occupations they participate in in large numbers devalued (financially and in terms of prestige); were expected to do 2x to 4x more work in managing a home and raising children while working full time; etc, etc.  it will take years for women’s job market participation to get back to where it was pre-COVID.

So, for the first time in this nation’s history, there is one area where white men don’t a structural advantage that makes everything easier for them and makes them the de facto dominant. Who cares?  No one can argue with a straight face that they don’t have equal opportunities. In fact, my kids applied to SLACs and the standards were lower for DS.

If boys don’t have equal outcomes, maybe of the “boys will be boys” “it’s fine to spend hours on video games” mentality that has lowered our expectations of them.  Or, maybe they are so unprepared for adversity because they literally never face it that they just “give up.”

Maybe boys and men need more adversity so they develop so coping skills and Grit, and not less.

But, but, but… think of the white men! :roll:[/quote]

Teenage boys didn't create any of these things, nor have they enjoyed a structural advantage in education. But thank you again for pointing out that you want today's youth to suffer as much as possible, and demonstrating that you have no concern or compassion for them that would lead you to consider, for even a moment, whether there are some issues at play when it comes to our schools.
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DP.. you are perpetuating a generation of snowflakes and boys with no grit.  No one wants a generation of young men to suffer as much as possible. Stop being a drama queen.

We are pointing out that these young men don't have the kinds of road blocks that other groups have had historically, and yet these other groups have managed to rise above it.  Why can't these young "men"?

My 17 yr old DS has to compete with smart and driven girls. So, then he needs to rise to the occasion.  I am not going to feel "sorry" for him because he has to compete with girls.  FFS.

Even with these stats, my DS knows he still has it a lot easier than girls do. He even said he is glad to not be a girl.. that they have it harder in general.[/quote]

In the examples given, how did women who were not yet adults "rise above" these adult issues. We are talking about the path from childhood to adulthood.

I fully support giving all marginalized groups extra supports to help them succeed, but that doesn't mean that a traditionally advantaged group might face some obstacles in early education.

It infuriates me to hear all of you privileged people talking about how your boys are doing fine. Guess what? Mine are too, but that's mostly because of my privilege in being able to provide tutoring, extra supports, programs to help them explore their interests, etc. Did all of you kids do their college applications all by themselves without any parental support? Half of you probably hired college consultants.

My point is that many boys don't have these extra opportunities and supports. But more than that, my concern is about how the current system causes boys to view themselves in a negative way. In this regard, I worry more about boys of color. Yes, it's good to be diligent and to always complete your homework beginning at a young age. But not everyone has that ability when the system demands it. All children need to be build up, not beaten down. That's how healthy adults of all genders and races are formed. Support, belief, and encouragement should be built into the system and it's not. [/quote]
you have no idea to whom you are responding to.

I grew up low income. My brother went into the military and then to a public ivy from there.

Privileged? OK, I mean I had parents but they didn't speak any English, couldn't help us navigate anything, and were uneducated.

If any child, boy or girl, has some SN that requires supports, sure, that should be provided.

Are you saying that the ALL of these boys who can't complete a college application with the required information are all SN?  Or are many just floundering because they don't realize that you need a good paying job to get by?

The previous system wasn't working for different groups, yet those groups figured it out.

I don't see many colleges preferring females over males. Quite the opposite.  If you are a male, you seem to get a boost.[/quote]

The article isn't about what colleges do. It's more about general . . . purposelessness of a generation.

And no, groups didn't figure it out. That's why we have all of the supports in place for marginalized groups. Or are you a pull yourself by your bootstraps Republican who blames minorities for not getting further ahead?[/quote]
I am a minority and female.  There were no supports when I went to college back in the 80s.  I had to figure it out on my own. Not even my parents could help me  since they didn't speak any English nor were they educated.

Stop coddling young men. You are not helping them. I have seen what coddling young men can do. It's not pretty.[/quote]

So you are a Repblican? [/quote]
What does politics have to do with this? You don't think there are liberals who think these young men have no grit?  I voted for Biden. So did my spouse, and my  spouse feels the same way I do.

Are you a liberal? Do liberals not have any fortitude or grit?[/quote]

+1 2 Biden voters here.  And out son needs to work for his grades and for college admission.  Of he video games his way through Hs instead, that’s on him. And on us for being crappy parents. [/quote]

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