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While this is true to some degree, don't make assumptions.

I grew up with many Vietnamese children who were refugees. They came here in the mid/early 80s. Their parents were not educated. You have to be kidding.  That country was still recovering from colonization and war in the 80s.

I came here from a different Asian country. My parents are uneducated (finished ES), and can't speak English.  I have a degree and make six figures.  While not all of my siblings are as "successful" as I am, none of them acted out in class.

IMO, it's cultural.  Their is a deep respect for adults and teachers in many of the Asian cultures. Even if you don't like school, that cultural belief is so ingrained in your psyche that you wouldn't act out in class because it's "shameful".

The school I went to also had many African and Hispanic Americans, and real gang bangers. Some of the Vietnamese kids were also in " gangs", but they kept a low profile in school.  They may have ditched classes but they didn't act out in class.  The kids who acted out in class were mostly black kids.  IMO, they mimic their parents attitudes.  I saw these students get into fist fights with the teachers.

That's not to say that all Black students are like this, of course not. The school had a largish black population, and the majority of the students didn't act out in class. But the handful who did were always the black kids.  That's probably in part due to statistics, too.  But, this is just what I observed growing up surrounded by all different races.[/quote]
UMC Asian-American (first-generation), and this is entirely BS. If respect etc were such a big deal, why is there so much classism in Asia? Why are there entrenched rich/poor families and castes and classes in Asia? Because everyone always wants/needs someone else to put down. Asian-Americans have been leveraged as the "model minority" who are "better" than Black Americans but never truly equal to white Americans. At some point, Asian-Americans were complicit in this, though who can blame us for choosing not to experience the abuse that Black Americans do?

Most of the Black American people and families I know are among the most respectful and disciplined people I know. That's because I'm UMC...and to become a Black UMC American, you need to be at least 3x as disciplined as any other race or ethnicity. Poor Black kids act out because, like everyone else, if you are deprived of hope and stability, you act out. Not because they are culturally deficient.[/quote]
I was a poor kid who acted out. I am a felon. Many of my childhood friends became habitual criminals.

I promise that culture is far stronger than you believe. The ones who embraced the gangsta rap version of hip hop culture got trapped in a cycle of bad decisions. Other friends who were abused and neglected still had problems but if they rejected the thug lifestyle things generally worked out better over the long term.

Race doesn’t determine success as much as culture does. Race /= culture.[/quote]
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It's poverty, not culture.  If you step out of your own experience, you can tell because most large immigrant groups went through the same gangster phase.  The Jews, the Irish, the Italians are the most memorable, but only because of their size.  You have your triads, the Jamaicans, the Chinese had tongs.  In Chicago the polish immigrants had gangs.  You have your slavic gangs, the Eastern European gangs.   [b][u]These groups don't share a common culture.  They shared a similar economic position.[/u][/b]

UMC blacks did not end up in gangs because of gangsta rap.  My black friends listened to gangsta rap as they went on to become doctors, lawyer, and one is CEO of a well known public company.  Meanwhile in white rural america you see the same problems as in black communities.  Nobody calls it "white culture".

The common denominator is poverty.

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