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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]As a person descended from european immigrants (with classically "white" skin that sunburns) ….

Many posters are making me ridiculously uncomfortable because they are basically advocating for the Paper Bag Test, 2.0  They don't say that of course, but in effect that's how they select who gets to self identify as a "POC" and who doesn't.

Basically, a rule out / rule in test on the explicit basis of physiological features, starting with skin tone.  (super pale skinned Egyptian woman with thin nose and wavy, shiny hair? Nope.  Dark olive skinned Egyptian woman — say, the color of a PAPER BAG — with 4c curls and a wide nose bridge?  YES.).

Yes I understand that this is about self identity, but, it's undeniable that there are multiple posters who want to act as the hall monitor for others' racial labels[/quote]

Appearance - yes, skin color - is important because it often dictates how you get treated. You can identify as a POC or BIPOC or whatever, but it’s by and large visibly darker skinned minorities who are profiled and discriminated against. [/quote]

Yes, but as other have said, there are extremely violent people—Neo-Nazis in particular—who don’t give 2 shts about your skin color. If they know you’re a Jew, they’ll kill you. [/quote]

This! This is exactly it - you phrased it well. "IF" they know you're Jewish. I am acknowledging that I am generalizing, and that there are many exceptions to the lighter skinned Jewish person (I am good friends with two black Americans who are Jewish, for example). But because we are speaking in generalizations, as one must when it comes to systemic racism (not to be confused with individualized racism), implicit in your sentence framing is the notion that the odds are decent and/or at the very least - the odds exist - that the hypothetical Neo-Nazi will not know you are Jewish *unless* you tell them. Can you try to distance yourself from the pain of your plight temporarily, and see that black Americans do not have this option when it comes to revealing the color of their skin to equally hateful strangers? [/quote]

I said multiple times that Black people have it worse.

But you also need to realize that Jews have hidden our religion for centuries because of multiple genocides against us.

Also, you should know that outside America, many people can pick out a Jew pretty quickly. I lived in Russia and people there knew immediately that I’m Jewish. There was no hiding it. Same when I visited Germany. [/quote]

We are talking about the US. Try to stay on topic. [/quote]

We are also more specifically talking about the present day US, where large scale genocides of Jews have never taken place.

It's really not a contest. There should be recognition from all sides in order to push the dialogue forward. It just seems like, perhaps in this thread in particular, there's a fair amount of resistance from Jewish Americans to acknowledge what you just did. Thanks for making the effort. [/quote]

I will remind you again of two things:

1. I always said Black Americans have it worse

2. Jews are more likely to be victims of hate crimes than any other group, including Black Americans
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