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Oh you can stuff it.  Please, detail here all the progressive, labor-rights policies you advocate for?

Regularlizing immigration is PRECISELY to protect workers right.  Having an "illegal" class of workers is a recipe for exploitation.  [/quote]

Stuff it? I thought you're all about intelligent debate and research and whatnot?

You have this weird, utopic idea that illegal migrants who put up with low pay, terrible conditions, and utter absence of employee rights for no reason other than not being able to work better jobs, will continue working in the same terrible jobs once they are legally able to work anywhere else.  Why? You think they are loyal to their slumlords?

The industries that rely on illegal migrant labor aren't doing it because they love migrants. They do it because they love paying artificially low wages and ignoring benefits and employee rights.  That's what you are arguing should be preserved.  And you are somehow persisting in your conviction that people who currently eat margarine because they can't have butter will weirdly continue doing that even when butter becomes available. [/quote]

You're the one distorting the argument.  Legalizing labor is the first way to protect worker's rights.  That's obvious.  And no, I don't think immigrants should be a permanent underclass - the reverse, actually.  I never said that I think immigrants should never move up, and that's not what the economically-based argument on immigration is about, at all.  It is about filling current labor market needs, not about repressing social/economic mobility.  And of course, immigrating to the US generally is a huge leap in mobility for many immigrants. To say that we need immigration for low-skilled employment does not mean that we should repress workers. [/quote]

The answer to "current labor market needs" is temporary, time-bound guest worker visas.  Like haitch one bees but for the illiterate.  Not permanent residency.  Because the only way to make sure migrants stay in the low-wage, low-benefit industries that currently depend on them, as you say, is to make them legally unable to work anywhere else. [/quote]

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