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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]^Say what you will about Russians but they are a culture like that. They consistently put the needs of others before their own and display self sacrifice. They fought in battles even when the odds were bad (Stalingrad). Italians on the other hand surrender. [/quote]
This is not ww2
Russians oppress minorities, always have. Russia is for Russians mentally.
The army conscripts from minority nation's like Latvia, Estonia were sent to help. They were not told where they were going, what was going on.
Within 3 years they were dead

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I think it’s the collective mentality and repression of individualism rather than self sacrifice. Many were sacrificed by others higher up in the command chain for the “collective good”. For example, during WW2 hundreds of thousands armed with wooden sticks were sent against the nazi troops for diversion as part of the Dniepr battle. Here is another example: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/25083847.html  in both, higher ups sacrificed the people. I think the Italians were smarter about it - if it was my son or brother or father, I very much would have preferred the Italian approach.

these are extremes, but the same attitude permeated to many other aspects of life, the individual does not count, the collective is what matters. [/quote]

Considering the Nazi treatment of Soviet POWs - deliberate starvation, death marches and summary executions resulting in 3 million dead - I doubt you would prefer this outcome for any of your male relatives. Italians were smarter about it because they knew Europeans POWs were treated better and had a shot at survival.  Soviet POWs were considered subhuman and not worth the calories.  Why would they surrender, knowing this?[/quote]

Yes, pp, you know why such treatment? Because Stalin never signed the pow Red Cross agreement at the time. You know it wasn’t signed? Because “Soviet soldiers don’t become prisoners of war”. The orders were to be killer but not surrender. PoW were regarded by soviet regime as traitors. Living on nazi occupied territories at the time also wa seen not as bad, but definitely a black spot. Read more history before spewing nonsense.[/quote]

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