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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For me, it is the biblical prohibition on homosexual behavior, as well as Paul's writings on women in the church.  I am not someone who just pretends the Bible does not say things that I don't like.  Anyone who has known a homosexual person knows that it is not some sort of "choice," and yet the bible is very clear.  It just seems to me to go so much against Jesus' loving, inclusive message.  I also think that Paul's writing on women specifically set women back for thousands of years.  Why did these things happen?  Even if we assume that Paul's teachings were based more on his opinion, how do we reconcile the last 2,000 years?  It's a really difficult topic for me.[/quote]

The Bible is not "very clear" on homosexuality.  It is very clear against sexual immortality.  There is no mention of monogamous same sex relations.  The type of homosexuality that existed in biblical times were primarily heterosexuals who also had sex with male boys.  Not the same.  We sure don't beat up adulterers nearly as much as homosexuals - which the Bible is clear about adultery being a sin.  And the Bible has pretty strict rules about getting remarried after getting a divorce but most Christians ignore those rules.  I don't understand the obsession with homosexuality...

And to take Paul's words about women at face value to cover all women in leadership positions, you sure have to ignore a lot of other bible verses where women were in leadership roles (like deacons and prophets) - which I'm sure was pretty radical back in the day.

Read a little more broadly - there is a lot of excellent scholarship on these topics but not from publishing houses where they practice censorship.  You don't get your best thoughts when people can't struggle with things that we need to struggle over (like a lot of "Christian" and Baptist books. [/quote]

Romans 1:6-8

“26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged NATURAL sexual relations for UNNATURAL ones.27 In the same way the men also abandoned NATURAL RELATIONS WITH WOMEN and were inflamed with lust FOR ONE ANOTHER. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. ”[/quote]

Well, if it's in the Bible, it must be true.  That's what some people think.  [/quote]

Some of us don't read the Bible literally. And that's our faith and our right to practice it as is.

I follow the words of Jesus, not the words of Paul the zealot.[/quote]

TRANSLATION: “I will apply any meaning to any verse I want because I don’t take it literally, so verses can have any meanings I decide for it”

I follow the words of Jesus, and of Paul the zealot, and Mark, and Peter, and Moses. Why? Because it’s in the BIBLE. What’s the Bible called? GOD’s WORD, not JESUS’ WORD AND COMMENTS FROM RANDOM OTHER PEOPLE.

What God says is true. Read John 1:1. [b]The whole Bible is literally the words of God. All of it.[/b][/quote]

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished.  If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)

When a woman has a discharge, if her discharge in her body is blood, she shall continue in her menstrual impurity for seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. Everything also on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean, and everything on which she sits shall be unclean. Leviticus 15: 19-20

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. Numbers 31:17-18

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Ephesians 6:5 NLT

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