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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Once again, the curiously ignorant reaction by a small vocal group in the progressive movement has demonstrated how incompatible their ideas and goals are with the principles that has made this country great.[/quote]

Please show me in the US Constitution where the United States of America is a Christian nation.[/quote]

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the truth is several of the Founding Fathers were NOT believers[/quote]

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religion has ZERO place in government 
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A number of the original states had established churches in their constitution at the time of the founding which enforced religious taxes on their populations which continued until the 1830's.  Laws prohibiting certain religious groups from holding office continued through the first half of the 19th century.

[b]The 1st amendment establishment clause was there because of those established churches[/b], which were an outgrowth of several colonies originally being religous colonies.  Setting one particular church up as the national established church would have caused considerable problems in the late 18th century.

I'm amazed that people don't remember this from history class.

You can certainly make an argument that the national government was not a Christian government, but the fact is that several of the States were religious governments.  You would have to note, that the social and cultural norms of the United States have been and still are Christian.[/quote]

It's not very Christian to demonize poor people trying to come here for a better life. Nor was it very Christian to enslave people and then make them third class citizens for a hundred years.  You'll have to call those "norms" something else besides Christian.

I'm amazed you don't remember these things from history class.[/quote]

I abhor slavery, but you need to look at the historical context.

Why do you consider slavery to be incompatible with Christianity? Clearly if you remembered your history classes, you would know the exact biblical passages that southerners used to defend the institution.

You might also remember that not once does Jesus denounce the institution, namely because he wasn't concerned with making this world better, but saving people for the next.

The new and old testiment aren't anti-slavery.  In fact, slaves are told to obey their masters as they would Christ.  Slaves were considered to be free "spiritually", but not free under the law.

You also need to read the biblical passages on nations, it's not quite what you think it is.

Unlike many "Christians" who believe in "Hippie Jesus", I've actually read the bible.   It's rather strange that many supposed christians haven't.[/quote]
You've read the Bible. Did you skip Philemon, or did the pages stick together so you missed this short New Testament book? In it, Paul writes that he could COMMAND Philemon to release his slave Onisemus, a brother in Christ, but instead would appeal to the Christian love he should have for his brother. The passages of slaves being told to obey their masters is as a testimony to their masters that may lead to their salvation. Paul similarly wrote of himself that he rejoiced in his imprisonments because it was an opportunity to share the Gospel to those in prison.

The whole arc of the Old Testament is bringing the Israelites out of slavery. Christ died on the cross to release us from the bonds of slavery. Christians are told to judge hold other in higher esteem than themselves, which would preclude slavery. I don't care what segregationists of the South tried to make the Bible say; they were wrong. People have been misquoting and misusing the Bible for centuries for their own purposes. The LORD will deal with them as they deserve.

This whole shibboleth of the Bible condoning slavery is nonsense and slander against Christianity by those who no nothing of it and don't care to.[/quote]

How do you reconcile your position with the biblical commands for  wives to submit to their husbands? [/quote]Why don't you read the text? The verse directly above that says we are all to submit to one another. And the instructions to husbands cover more verses than this one, including to give up their lives for their wives. And that doesn't touch on slavery. I'm not sure what your point is, but husbands are told to sacrifice greatly for their wives. A sober Christian husband would never bring this up with his wife as a point of dominance, because the command for the husband is so much greater. There's nothing to reconcile.[/quote]

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