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[quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous] Do we want to win elections without compromising our core values? What is wrong with being a Bill Clinton type of Democrat? Was Clinton not enough of a liberal for you?[/quote] Bill Clinton was exactly the compromise of our core values that I detest. I proudly have never voted for any Clinton. You clearly share Republican values and spend your time attacking Democrats. It is okay to admit your true allegiance. There are plenty of Republicans here. [/quote] Are you a democratic socialist[/quote] I am not a member of the DSA if that is what you mean. I support many policies that are common in social democracies such as universal healthcare and affordable higher education. FDR was generally called a socialist and many of his programs were socialist in nature. So, I don't really see anything wrong with democratic socialism. [/quote] Democratic socialism is fundamentally incompatible with our Constitution. Specifically, it's against private property and liberty. At the end of the day, an individual is an individual. If people don't want to participate in your utopia, STOP FORCING THEM. All the "democratic socialist" programs you support FORCE those who don't want to participate to do so against their will. From mandatory union dues to FICA to high taxes for whatever you want and anything in-between. Adhere to the Constitution, the supreme law of the land. Not some vision where words are twisted into pretzels so you can distribute free stuff. That's all I ask. 1+1 really does equal 2.[/quote] Democratic socialism is absolutely not opposed to private property and liberty. You are wildly uniformed. Do you think that Scandinavia or most of Western Europe lack private property or liberty? Trumpsters talk about East coast liberals living in a bubble, but what kind of a bubble must you live in to believe things like this PP? I assume that you drive to work on a public road? Why are you using that socialist infrastructure instead of paying a toll to take a privately owned road? [/quote] They are opposed to privately property, specifically privately owned corporate property. Here are their own words: https://www.dsausa.org/toward_freedom "Socialists therefore argue that private corporate property is not only wrong, but also nonsensical. Wealth is a social creation and should be controlled by society as a whole." "In the short term we can’t eliminate private corporations, but we can bring them under greater democratic control. " https://www.dsausa.org/private_corporations_seem_to_be_a_permanent_fixture_in_theus_so_why_work_towards_socialism An here is a friendly left wing media outlet reporting on their national convention: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/5/15930786/dsa-socialists-convention-national "Like most socialist organizations, DSA believes in the abolition of capitalism in favor of an economy run either by “the workers” or the state — though the exact specifics of “abolishing capitalism” are fiercely debated by socialists." "In practice, that means DSA believes in [b]ending the private ownership [/b]of a wide range of industries whose products are viewed as “necessities,” which they say should not be left to those seeking to turn a profit. According to DSA’s current mission statement, the government should ensure all citizens receive adequate food, housing, health care, child care, and education. DSA also believes that the government should “democratize” private businesses — i.e., force owners to give workers control over them — to the greatest extent possible." " [b]David Duhalde, DSA’s deputy director, says the “overwhelming majority” of its current members are committed to socialism’s enactment through the outright abolition of capitalism[/b]." [/quote]
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