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[quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]

I was going to get off the forum but I will respond to the above with one question:

How did Obama win so decisively in 2008? Yes, the black vote was a factor for sure. But take a look at the states he won: what happened that caused us to lose that large swath of the country? Voters knew they were voting for a black guy or did they suddenly experience a Paul on the road to Damascus moment and it hit them that the guy was black?

Hint: racism has nothing to do with it although liberals use that as the excuse repeatedly.[/quote]

Obama won because he motivated groups that often don't vote such as black and young voters. The drop off of votes for Clinton in 2016 compared to Obama in 2012 were exactly in Democratic strongholds. I would argue that the compromises made to pass the ACA played a huge role in Clinton's defeat. Ironically, Trump has made the ACA extremely popular now.

I don't know why you are bringing up racism, but if you don't think racism had a role in the opposition to Obama, you are delusional. There is a direct line between the Trump's racism that he has exhibited throughout his life to his birthirism to his election on a white nationalist platform. 
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Of course, racism has been a factor in how some people vote and I have never pretended otherwise but to attribute Hillary's loss to racism is absurd. Hillary lost a lot of voters in the [b][i]key battleground states[/i][/b] who voted for Obama and who switched to Trump and there are multiple studies that confirm this. It was the loss of these voters in those states that swung the election to Trump. I believe that you respect Nate Cohn's work and here is what he says:

[i]The story of the 2016 presidential election is simple. Donald J. Trump made huge gains among white voters without a college degree. His gains were large enough to cancel out considerable losses among well-educated white voters and a decade of demographic shifts.

There are questions and details still up for debate: whether Democrats can win back these voters, and how to think about and frame the decline in black turnout. But postelection surveys, pre-election surveys, voter file data and the actual results all support the main story: [u]The voters who switched from President Obama to Mr. Trump were decisive[/u].

Mr. Milbank’s choice to use nationwide figures obscures the degree of the defection of white working-class voters from the Democrats to Mr. Trump ........

But the national vote doesn’t count, and Mrs. Clinton is not the president. [u]She lost primarily because of the narrow but deep swing among white working-class voters who were overrepresented in decisive battleground states.[/u]

Just 74 percent of white Obama voters with a high school diploma or less backed Mrs. Clinton in the voter study group cited by Mr. Milbank.[/i]

And the key to Democratic electoral success is how we win back those voters - many of whom have been historically inclined to vote for Democrats - back into the fold. I would argue that it is not by disparaging them which seems to be the mantra among some liberals.

[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/upshot/the-obama-trump-voters-are-real-heres-what-they-think.html[/url][/quote]

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