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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]1. Jackie O. 
2. Frances Cleveland 
3. Grace Coolidge

https://www.whitehousehistory.org/galleries/first-lady-portraits
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For as beautiful as Jackie O was, that portrait is pretty awful.  She looks like a ghost.

I would add Ellen Arthur based on the portraits.[/quote]

I've never understood why Jackie is regarded as great beauty.  She was undoubtedly graceful and elegant.  Certainly her style and poise made her very attractive.  But beautiful? Only in the sense that the way she carried herself made her beautiful.  I guess this is the same quality that allows some to see Michelle Obama as beautiful.  I think both women are handsome with qualities that make them very appealing.  But they are both far from being true beauties.  Instead the french term "jolie laide" (translated as "beautiful ugly") comes to mind in both cases.[/quote]

What exactly is a true beauty pp?[/quote]

of course beauty can be defined in many ways, but i was referring to features that have been traditionally thought to represent facial beauty in women - symmetrical features, large eyes, high cheekbones, etc.[/quote]
In other words, white European traditional features. [/quote]

Actually, those are pretty common beauty standards in non-western cultures. Even in Africa. That describes Ethiopian beauty to me. And in Asia - symmetrical, large eyes, high cheekbones - commonly found in beautiful women in Japan and China. It's definitely global. [/quote]

Actually standards of beauty do change over time and culture.  Just look at centuries old portraits of women considered beautiful in their own time.  Many times that beauty doesn't translate to today's standards.  Heck, just look at some of the movie stars of the 20s and 30s compared to today's movie stars.  Very different.   And those considered most beautiful today wouldn't necesssarily have been considered beautiful 100 or 200 years ago. Especially since pale white skin was highly valued over tanned faces.

Also, thinking about large eyes as a test of beauty -- that would seem to rule out Melania, because she's got kind of strange eyes that don't open very widely.  [/quote]

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