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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think the person who titled this post misrepresents the GoogleGuys screed.  Here is a portion reproduced below where he discusses what things can be done to help achieve parity without discrimination.

[quote]Below I’ll go over some of the differences in distribution of traits between men and women that I outlined in the previous section and suggest ways to address them to increase women’s representation in tech and without resorting to discrimination. Google is already making strides in many of these areas, but I think it’s still instructive to list them:

[i]Women on average show a higher interest in people and men in things[/i]
We can make software engineering more people-oriented with pair programming and more collaboration. Unfortunately, there may be limits to how people-oriented certain roles and Google can be and we shouldn’t deceive ourselves or students into thinking otherwise (some of our programs to get female students into coding might be doing this).

[i]Women on average are more cooperative[/i]
Allow those exhibiting cooperative behavior to thrive. Recent updates to Perf may be doing this to an extent, but maybe there’s more we can do. This doesn’t mean that we should remove all competitiveness from Google. Competitiveness and self reliance can be valuable traits and we shouldn’t necessarily disadvantage those that have them, like what’s been done in education. Women on average are more prone to anxiety. Make tech and leadership less stressful. Google already partly does this with its many stress reduction courses and benefits.
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Women on average look for more work-life balance while men have a higher drive for status on average[/i]
Unfortunately, as long as tech and leadership remain high status, lucrative careers, men may disproportionately want to be in them. Allowing and truly endorsing (as part of our culture) part time work though can keep more women in tech.
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The male gender role is currently inflexible[/i]
Feminism has made great progress in freeing women from the female gender role, but men are still very much tied to the male gender role. If we, as a society, allow men to be more “feminine,” then the gender gap will shrink, although probably because men will leave tech and leadership for traditionally feminine roles.[/quote][/quote]

There are many false assumptions here. That's the problem PP. These aren't solutions but rather what men think are the problems with women.  :roll: [/quote]

It's called &quot;unconscious bias&quot;.. we act on the world based on what we believe not what we see (or hear). &quot;Women on average&quot; means you only act on what you believe to be true, not what is true for your specific employee. You unconsciously discriminate against some women based on your bias on how you see the world.

Orchestras use to have no women in them or as little as &lt;5%, because women &quot;play differently&quot; ... it sounds different when a woman plays. So they started blind auditions in the 70's and 80's and all of a sudden women sound the same.  [/quote]

those old studies are irrelevant. everything that could have been squeezed out of discrimination has been squeezed out. women are now getting significantly more college degrees and even phds. 
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What good are those degrees if women are still viewed as "less than" or somehow not deserving of the degree because they got it on a less than equal playing field? What good are the degrees if they are forced to work in a hostile work environment? Women are always viewed as less knowledgeable/technical than men, regardless of education or experience.[/quote]

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