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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think the person who titled this post misrepresents the GoogleGuys screed.  Here is a portion reproduced below where he discusses what things can be done to help achieve parity without discrimination.

[quote]Below I’ll go over some of the differences in distribution of traits between men and women that I outlined in the previous section and suggest ways to address them to increase women’s representation in tech and without resorting to discrimination. Google is already making strides in many of these areas, but I think it’s still instructive to list them:

[i]Women on average show a higher interest in people and men in things[/i]
We can make software engineering more people-oriented with pair programming and more collaboration. Unfortunately, there may be limits to how people-oriented certain roles and Google can be and we shouldn’t deceive ourselves or students into thinking otherwise (some of our programs to get female students into coding might be doing this).

[i]Women on average are more cooperative[/i]
Allow those exhibiting cooperative behavior to thrive. Recent updates to Perf may be doing this to an extent, but maybe there’s more we can do. This doesn’t mean that we should remove all competitiveness from Google. Competitiveness and self reliance can be valuable traits and we shouldn’t necessarily disadvantage those that have them, like what’s been done in education. Women on average are more prone to anxiety. Make tech and leadership less stressful. Google already partly does this with its many stress reduction courses and benefits.
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Women on average look for more work-life balance while men have a higher drive for status on average[/i]
Unfortunately, as long as tech and leadership remain high status, lucrative careers, men may disproportionately want to be in them. Allowing and truly endorsing (as part of our culture) part time work though can keep more women in tech.
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The male gender role is currently inflexible[/i]
Feminism has made great progress in freeing women from the female gender role, but men are still very much tied to the male gender role. If we, as a society, allow men to be more “feminine,” then the gender gap will shrink, although probably because men will leave tech and leadership for traditionally feminine roles.[/quote][/quote]

There are many false assumptions here. That's the problem PP. These aren't solutions but rather what men think are the problems with women.  :roll: [/quote]

Women don't seek more work-life balance than men?  Women don't take more responsibility for child and eldercare?  Its not like female MDs don't work fewer hours than men, or are less likely to go into surgical specialties or anything.

Men aren't judged for status?  (Of course women don't prefer to marry up than marry down!) Its not like there's been an uptick in assorative mating patterns or anything!
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Women's gender roles haven't changed? Why of course not, its the same as 100 years ago! Women aren't allowed to work outside of the home! In fact, men have even more flexibility than women in the workplace when it comes to expectations of child and eldercare!

Women are highly independent and are socialized to prefer solo work to group work. Women certainly are less subject to social pressures than men! After all there's no mean girls in the office!

False assumptions?[/quote]

Here's a false assumption--you can have cooperation OR competition. Or you can have work-life balance OR status. Here's another one--leadership is stressful.

I also enjoy the statement to the effect that competitive people are disadvantaged in education. Made by the Harvard PhD.

His supporters say Google proves his point--you can't talk about certain topics. I would say he's proving Google's point--they need to make an affirmative effort to diversify their workforce. Sending this man to diversity training once or twice a year isn't going to help him overcome the biases he's built up over a lifetime. Daily exposure to a variety of different types of people is what helps people start to think about others as individuals and not "averages," so that over time a person might start to question his assumptions, broaden his perspective, and hopefully start to see commonalities as well as differences. [/quote]

NOPE the ONLY THING THAT SHOULD MATTER IS HOW WELL YOU DO THE JOB PERIOD.  ARE WE GOING TO START HAVING CORPORATE MORALITY TESTS BEFORE HIRING PEOPLE NOW.  THIS IS SUCH F BS [/quote]

The skills he says women are better are -- like cooperation -- are "the job" at the management level, as well as subject matter expertise. If you say "the job" at the programming level is not geared to women, how will they get the subject matter expertise to add on to their "natural" skills in order to help the company have the best managers? A company is not ONE JOB. A company is lots of things and people need to be able to move around and work with other people. There are almost no jobs that do not require you to ever work with others or to understand others. And you can't move up if you can't work with others. That means there needs to be diversity at all ranks. [/quote]

i suggest that women enter companies at C level.[/quote]

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