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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I have Egyptian friends who were born in Egypt (you know, actual Africa). They always checked that they were African American. [/quote]

Egyptians are not African-American.  Most forms that have a blurb about this sort of thing say that African-Americans are people of sub-saharan african descent.  Most Egyptian immigrants come from privileged backgrounds, and a lot of them appear to be white, and go through their entire lives basically as white people with a neat ethnic story.  I'm Egyptian, and I'm white to the point of pale.  These are precisely not the type of people that need affirmative action.  That is my problem with affirmative action- you are giving some people a boost, and those people are going to have to do the rest themselves, but how do you know you are giving that advantage to someone who really even needs it?  I went to an elite college, and quite frankly, most of the black kids were children of well-to-do African immigrants.  [b]At this point, shouldn't affirmative action be based on socioeconomic data that you can't change and not on whatever race you decide to be that day?[/b][/quote]

If they went by socioeconomic data the number of AAs at schools would plummet.  Poor whites and Asians drastically outperform poor blacks, and there are many more poor whites than there are poor blacks.  For example, the children of the poorest white families get the same SAT scores as the children of the most affluent black families.  [/quote]

1.  Do you have a cite for this information?  I think this is an exaggeration, at best.  We all know there is a racial disparity but if it is that extreme then more drastic steps need to be taken.  Affirmative action is like trying to fix a broken leg with a band aid in this respect.  Also, what you appear to be saying is that poor black kids are completely UN-qualified and have no shot of getting into college period.  What the people above are arguing is that affirmative action is a boost for minorities that are already qualified.  Both of those ideas cannot be true.  If, instead of looking just at some subjective idea about race, colleges looked at socioeconomic data, they'd get kids who are actually in need.  If you are worried about minority kids being left out, they could target specific regions where there are high concentrations of poor minorities and make sure to admit a proportion of students that way.  By specifically targeting racial categories, you get a bunch of rich minority kids who were going to figure out a way to get to college  anyway.[/quote]

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