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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Laura Bush also didn't wear a headscarf when she visited Saudi.

I think this is the right decision. Wearing a headscarf should be a personal decision, and no one should be pressured to wear one - Muslim or not, political visit or not.

I also think it was smart of her to attend the meeting of the dignitaries. It highlights the absolute backwardsness of conservative Saudi's in their total ignoring of women. [b]A few men acknowledged her and shook her hand, but most pretended she didn't even exist standing there.[/b] That looks bad for Saudi Arabia. It's shameful.

Good for Michelle O! Love her! [/quote]

Touching an unrelated female is actual prohibited under Islam (do remember which sect), so this is not really ignoring.  The article I read stated that the one who did not shake nodded - which I understand is an acceptable alternative to hand shakes.[/quote]

This is not true. It's what some very conservative Muslims believe, but is by no means is it a prohibition in Islam. It's extremely rude of them.

I was raised Muslim, and a nod is not an "acceptable alternative" - it's highly offensive. It means you're painting me as someone who will taint you, or you can't control yourself around me (or other women). It's rude and highly offensive. [/quote]
WRONG WRONG WRONG
He nodded is head down. If his head had nodded it up it would have meant something different in Middle Eastern culture. Also, in Saudi Arabia non-Muslim women are not required to cover their face or hair. Yes, [b]some traditional Muslim men do not like to touch unrelated females, that includes handshake's-just like Orthodox Jews (Orthadox jewish women also cover their hair).[/b][/quote]

I don't like to wear pants in public, but I do so because it's polite to my fellow human beings. "Like" is irrelevant, whether you're Muslim, Jewish, Christian, atheist, or whatever. There are things you do out of respect - like acknowledging people. Acknowledging women as people, not as sexual beings that will transmit cooties to you. A handshake is pretty universal - if a Muslim man can shale a male's hand, they can shake a female's hand. This isn't about religion, it's about inherent cultural misogyny. That shit needs to change. [/quote]

Respect has different manifestations in different cultures. "That shit" isn't going to change because of what you think, or because of what Michelle Obama wears. People have their own culture.

For example, in the Gulf culture, acknowledging a married female in the presence of her husband at any length except the most superficial is considered rude.  Conservative Gulf men won't look at or speak directly, if possible, with a wife of a man they know. They will route all interactions through the man, because paying attention to the wife of another man is considered disrespectful.  They won't even look you in the eye. To them, looking at you and speaking with you directly is disrespectful to women. I know it's alien to you, but they don't care what you think. [/quote]

It's not alien to me, I was raised Muslim. But "culture" or "religion" don't get passes on misogyny and sexism, for those reasons. Believe me - I already know a conservative Saudi male doesn't care what I or any other woman thinks. [/quote]

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