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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]9:12, do you believe he would punish in the afterlife those who don't achieve fellowship with him on earth?

Muslima, if I could know there was a god and that his purpose in creating us was to have someone to worship him, I couldnt worship such a god. [/quote]

not 9:12. There is a lot of obsession with what happens in the after life, punishment, damnation, etc. from the atheist crowd. Are you really trying to understand?[/quote]

I'm not sure I understand you.

What I am saying (OP) is that I don't think there is a god but there might be. And if there is, I find it hard to believe he wouldnt be loving, generous, forgiving, and not so arbitrary and capricious as to judge people on their belief in him instead of in their good acts.

I don't believe in the afterlife either but I guess you could call it an act of faith in my part that I believe if there is one, and a god, that God would not exclude people based on their faith. [/quote]
This is a very thoughtful post from you, but God forgiving based on your faith really is the most loving thing He could do. You might have some good acts, but what about your bad acts? If you want Him to judge you impartially, you have a lot to answer for. I certainly do. We all do. But God in His mercy merely asks that you believe Him, and accept His Son. It's not like He gave you nothing to go on. He sent Jesus Christ -- God in the flesh -- to live the perfect life that you can't live, and He had his life and ministry minutely detailed in four Gospels, all of which have an extraordinary agreement in them, which document many miracles, a death on the cross because He loves you, and a resurrection unto life. And all you have to do is believe that and trust in Him to save you, and He will. But if you want to go and argue your life before God, you'll be far lacking. No one on this planet could go before a judge for a crime, and argue that he wasn't guilty because he also did some good things. We all will have to answer for our sins, unless we've been forgiven them in Christ. This is an offer open to all. If you are really seeking to know the truth, try praying to God (even if you only [i]might[/i] be able to believe in Him) and telling Him you're sorry for your sins and you'll follow where He leads you if He leads you. If you do that honestly with a sincere heart, He will lead you into a knowledge of the truth. This is why Christ said you need only faith as big as a mustard seed. God will take the smallest belief of Him and make it grow, but it is really the most merciful, kind and loving way to do it. Otherwise, you're on your own.[/quote]

not pp, but the Jesus story is not "minutely detailed" in the gospels, there are differences and discrepancies,  and numerous translations have taken their toll, as they would on any very old document.  Also, the Authors are unknown, except for Paul and even some of his stuff was written by others. And there is very little historical corroboration for anything in the gospels despite the fact that  scholars have been looking hard for centuries.   We would never trust such sources today as anything but stories - hardly anything to base a serious belief on.[/quote]
Have you actually read all four Gospels, or just some gnostic refutation of them? Read them yourself. You'll be amazed how much detail and agreement is in them. [/quote]

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