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And here are the ones who refute the "foolish" people but can't seem to come up with an alternative explanation:

http://www.ostrichheadinsand.com/images/ostrich_head_in_sand.jpg[/quote]

b/c the ostrich proves your point
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How difficult is it to do a little bit of research?

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/264740.php

[quote]George Mashour, assistant professor of anesthesiology and neurosurgery at the University of Michigan, explains:

"We were surprised by the high levels of activity. In fact, at near-death, many known electrical signatures of consciousness exceeded levels found in the waking state, suggesting that the brain is capable of well-organized electrical activity during the early stage of clinical death."[/quote]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/08/12/211324316/brains-of-dying-rats-yield-clues-about-near-death-experiences

[quote]Just after the rats' hearts stopped, there was a burst of brain activity. Their brain suddenly seemed to go into overdrive, showing all the hallmarks not only of consciousness but a kind of hyperconsciousness.

"We found continued and heightened activity," Borjigan says. "Measurable conscious activity is much, much higher after the heart stops — within the first 30 seconds."

Borjigin and her colleagues think they essentially discovered the neurological basis for near-death experiences. "That really just, just really blew our mind. ... That really is consistent with what patients report," she says.

Patients report that what they experienced felt more real than reality — so intense that it's often described as life-altering.[/quote][/quote]

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Okay…lets look at the Medical News Today article. The first line reads:
"A near-death experience (NDE) is defined as a psychological event that occurs when a person is close to death."

This is factually incorrect. A near death experience is actually not an experience that is simply near or close to death, but not really death. A near death experience is an experience that occurs after CLINICAL DEATH OF THE PATIENT. So whether the brain is extremely active or not "close to death" is not the same analysis as whether the brain is active after death.

In fact, the brain may indeed be very active close to death and even a few seconds after death because it is struggling to try to keep the body alive.

After about four minutes of heart beat cessation, the body can still be revived sometimes without any brain damage. However, after four minutes, it is likely that the patient suffers brain damage. This is because the brain realizes it is losing in that fight to stay alive. What did that article say about brain activity after 30 seconds, however? Nothing. Because there was no brain activity after 30 seconds, thats why. Contrast this with many NDE experiences, however. There are many cases of NDE'ers who have been clinically dead for well past four minutes and there were monitors on their brain and heart. There was no brain activity at all after four minutes of clinical death. None. Yet some people were revived and had profound inexplicable experiences. That Dr. Lloyd Rudy link I sent you was one particular example. And in that example, it was with a real human being, not a rat.

Please refute by finding evidence that talks about brain activity continuing after four minutes of clinical death and also an
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