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not attractive at all.  That's why religion is selfish.  It's all about being temporarily good in order to secure a spot in the afterlife. that's all . . . [/quote]
This is an example of sad misunderstanding of a religion (including atheism). Very typical among young Americans, and very distructive.[/quote]

How is this destructive?

I own that line, btw.

The most selfless folks are those who do good on this earth w/o relying on "payment" in the afterlife.

How can you argue against that?  or even call it "destructive?"

fear-based way of controlling the masses

I'm definitely not young either.[/quote]

Your response is difficult to sort out, because you seem to jumble lots of assumptions together.

The most selfless folks may or may not be religious. Their religion may or may not say this, that, or the other about afterlife.

This is not what I called distructive.

Faith is not about control. Lots of other things are.

What I consider destructive is the loss of traditional faith with nothing to stand in for it. The emptiness of a shallow mind. No spiritual beginning to speak of. It does not lead to selflessness. Selfless people have faith, even though it may differ from traditional religions.[/quote]

Selfless atheists have faith in humankind.

Having faith in humankind is not akin to having faith in some supreme being and looking forward to a posthumous reward.

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Again, not every religion examplifies faith in an anthropmorphic god.

"Faith in humankind" sounds like a meaningless concept. What is the nature of that faith? Trolling religion on DCUM? (LOL Loved the PP's post!)[/quote]

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