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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I am a Jewish man in his 40's who group up fully ensconced in the culture. There is a certain emotional (perhaps illogical or irrational at times) element to it. I don't want to make it sound like Jews are unique - cause they're not - but it's often something that is very difficult to put in to words. It's part the history that we're taught - some would call it a culture of victimhood, some would call it a culture of survival - both are probably right; it's part the fact that the religion is not prosthelytizing, so we don't have a lot of new recruits!; it's part the chosen people nonsense; it's partly that there wasn't a country that was predominantly jewish until 1948; it's part emotional and fuzzy; and many other things I can't think of right. See I can't explain it. But I know it, and it's hard to be totally rational about it.[/quote]

Thanks for your post. While I think there is a universal appeal to support a people who try to recover from the horror of the murder of 6 million of their number by design, where I think a lot of people are starting to have problems is in the expansion into what was taken under military occupation in 1967 and the cynical settlement building and  dissproportiate counter attacks on  the Arab people.

You refer to a culture of victimhood having as its other face the culture of survival.

Here is my question: do you believe that when men like Begin and Yitzak Shamir came to Palestine as refugees of the hollocaust , they had left in them as men  any human compassion for the people they would soon disposess  through their actions in the Irgun and Haggah and later when they pursued restoration of  " greater Israel" as PM's ?  Or, do you think after 6 million fellow Jews murdered they simpy believe " fuck the rest of the world" and lost their humanity for any and all who are not their fellow Jews and they simply don't care what the world says, thinks or does ?

[b]Now those PM's time is over.  Netanyahu was raised in an affluent suburb of suburban Philadelphia. His family chose to emigrate and chose to enter a war zone. How is it he claims the same psychologic mantle  of "survivor"  Very, very  different life , but same complete dissregard for the value of Arab lives. What is the moral basis for this perpetuation? [/b]

I've been to Israel and I've had settlers with New York accents say to me " one Jewish life is worth a hundred Arab lives".

Do you think that kind a belief reflects a lost sense of humanity ?

Wasn't it a rabbi who said " he who saves oen life saves the world" so , how can a people guided wrapping themselves in the ethos of Judaism act on such thoughts as " one Jewish life is equal to 100 Arab lives ?

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It is the knowledge/belief that for all his privilege he would have been treated the same way as the survivors if he'd been in their time and place in history. [/quote]

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