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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous]According to this, unless you convert to Islam-you are doomed in an Islamic society.  It is the only religion that encourages and condones war-not peace.

The Quran: 
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing... 
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief. [/quote]

If you want to [b]have a religious debate, please go post in the religious forum[/b]

Also why didn't you quote the verse that came before that?  So you csn mislead people?   Here is the verse thats right before the one you're citing:

.2:190 "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. "

The context is if MUSLIMS GET ATTACKED then Muslims have the right to attack back, and the context is very clear on that, the theme comes into play on verse 190, not verse 191 which non-Muslims quote alone, the non-Muslim should quote from verse 190 onwards, and once doing so one will see that this is a defensive war, not an offensive one, if people attack the Muslims then the Muslims have the right to attack back, and that is exactly what the verses are saying.

The verses even say that if the people who started the fight begin to stop and make peace than we too must also stop and make peace as well,. You should read these verses in their textual and historical context. You should read the whole verse an the few verses before and few after instead of randomly quoting verses outside if their revealed contexts.Those  verses were revealed after the unbelievers broke the treaty with the Prophet peace upon him and after he took over Mecca and forgave them for what they have done and still some of them would not stop killing the Muslims .

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You posted about the Quran, so why can't someone follow up without being sent to the religion forum?[/quote]

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