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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]18:15 above wrote in part:  " This was not the class of 2014. The nature of conversations changes as the senior year draws to an end. And the kids are just as excited to begin their new life as they are sad to part with old friends."

This is our current experience with our high school senior as well.  Maybe it varies depending upon the high school you attend.  Our child is in a relatively smaller, private school.  Everyone in the class knows perfectly well who are the top students, middle students, and struggling students based on the rigor of the classes they have taken, their comments in those classes, peer review of exams and homework assignments, etc.  When I attended public school, we knew who made the National Honor society as a junior, who didn't  make it until senior year, and who didn't make it at all.  In some privates, there is comparable group (cum laude).  In smaller schools, almost everyone knows each other's business.  This year, as students are accepted early decision/early action to schools -- and often when they are deferred or rejected as well -- almost all of them not only tell each other, they post it on their Facebook pages.

I leave it to others to debate the value of racial,  ethnic or socio-economic status in the college acceptance game, but I assure you that the kids at least at our DC's school know a great deal about their relative academic strengths -- as well as, of course, who is a great athlete, musician, singer, robotics champion etc.  The kids don't know who would be ranked number 4 vs 5 or 26 vs 27, but they have a good idea of what is going on.  They know.    
  
 
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[b]If they don't know rank, they don't have a good idea of what is going on.[/b] Class rank is more solid and important than a 'hunch' about perceived academic strengths.

To that, I would like to re-emphasis the following questions to the poster who made the claim about all the minorities with more impressive acceptances in DC's class:

1. Did DC see the TRANSCRIPTS of these students?

2. Did DC see the APPLICATIONS/ESSAYS before they were submitted? A shoddy, last minute app with a weak essay is not as appealing as one that was well-thought out.

3. Does DC know what the students shared about themselves in the essays?

4. How many black/hispanic kids admitted they were accepted based on race? :shock:  And exactly how did that conversation come up again :lol: ? And were those minority students in the admissions offices when those decisions were being made? Do they know how they stacked up against the entire applicant pool? Did those minority students have access to everyone's transcripts, essays, etc?

5. Since when have minority students been okay with...

You know what? I have been black all my life, and I can assure you that is NOT the kind of discussion a black child would have. They've likely spent much of their HS years feeling a bit odd from being the only black kid in the class. (Been there done that too. You become the poster child for every single stereotype the other kids have every had. [b]The last stereotype you'd want to play into is the one of "You only got in cause you're black.[/b]) [b]No[/b] minority student would be okay with thinking that, much less saying it. It's the white kids who love to talk about racial privilege. No other race does that. Blacks don't do it. Asians don't do it. And neither do Hispanics. Those are 3 groups that are SICK of being stereotypes--even the good ones. (Asian kids don't like the idea that they get straight A's because they're Asian.)

Of course the aforementioned are all rhetorical questions. :D [/quote]

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