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[quote=Anonymous][quote]He does. All the time. He even came to earth in human flesh. If you're not seeing God in everyday life, you're not looking![/quote]

You won't have any luck with atheists with this argument. First, we don't believe in God. Second, we do believe that everything that happens is explicable without reference to supernatural interference.

[quote] (And, he doesn't "make" people suffer. People suffer in this life due to their own misdeeds (#1) or because evil exists in the world, or because of the powers of nature, etc. etc. [/quote]

This is where atheists look at believers with wonder and astonishment.

On the one hand, you believe in an omniscient, omnipotent, benevolent entity that has a plan for each of us, and, on the other, when disasters happen (i.e., not one of us exercising free will and shooting up a movie theatre), you look around at the catastrophic devastation, death and suffering and say, "Thank God for saving the ones who survived! It could've been worse!"

The implication of this is either (a) that God killed off all those people and caused all that suffering as part of his plan or (b) that natural catastrophes are outside of God's control and so all He can do is attempt to save those he can and minimize the damage. If (a), your deity is a sociopath. If (b), your deity is not omniscient/omnipotent.

Or, you can feel free to explain how God is omnipotent/omniscient and yet isn't responsible for the death, devastation and suffering associated with natural disasters, but does get credit for those who survive, including the supposed "miraculous" events like babies discovered in a collapsed building days after an earthquake.

If God is incapable of preventing the disasters, but knows they are coming and doesn't provide any warning, then He's at best uncaring. If he's incapable of preventing the disasters, then He's also not "omnipotent."

If God is capable of saving some people, but not others, again, He's not omnipotent. If He's capable of saving all and chooses not to, He's a sociopath.

[quote]But ultimately, in this life, we will all meet the same fate. [/quote]

On that we can all agree.
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