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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Hi OP, I am 14:49 PP. I hear what you are saying and that this was a much deeper, longer relationship than the one I experienced, and the issue is different. it is very demoralizing to be disillusioned to the extent you are, and I'd like to direct you to some books I found helpful - 
The Sociopath Next Door - martha stout
in sheeps clothing,and character disturbance by george simon (2 books)
the gaslight effect by robin stern

extensive lying and interpersonal manipulation and troublemaking are hallmarks of both sociopaths and narcissists. there are differences between them, but I will leave that to you to explore. You are far from alone though.
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I've seen you recommend these books.

How is it helpful for her (and others) to come to view the father of their children, or someone they spent time with in a long-term relationship, as a sociopath or someone with a character disorder?  Her children presumably have to spend time with this man, their father, alone.  Now you want her to think of him as a sociopath??

OP, I had a relationship similar to this (no kids or marriage).  Had some therapy and came to view this person more as a "Peter Pan."  Someone who would say anything to get people to like him or please people in the short term, but with no follow through.  Someone who never grew up.  This isn't a sociopath.  Yes, it's a defect of character, it's maddening, and it's impossible to live with.  But it's not a complete lack of conscience or a lack of love for you.  I think you were loved, just not the way you needed to be or should be.  Find the love you need and deserve.[/quote]

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