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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The age norming could be a factor in why some kids got in with a FAT of 84% and others were denied at 91%.  [/quote]

huh?   so you mean the committee took age into account even without age norming?  seems to prove point of PP about how not age norming FxAT shouldn't be a show-stopper.  Remember the people evaluating the files for AAP aren't idiots, they're educators, many of whom probably know a lot more about spotting giftedness than most of the posters here.  The test is not the only thing they're looking at.  Any one thing won't disqualify a student, it's the information taken as a whole.  Do some kids slip through the cracks, I think that's the nation of any evaluation system, but you do have the right to appeal.

I'm not trying to make light of this, but truly in an absolute worst case scenario a child doesn't get into AAP their life is not over, their chances for success are not dashed, they likely won't even fall behind their peers in any sort of lasting way by being in general ed in elementary school.  In fact, in the case of a young kid they may even benefit from being at the top of their class. I think this is the main problem with the lowered standards to get into AAP.  If it were a smaller percentage who were truly gifted, [b]you wouldn't have so many wannabes whining about age norming.[/b][/quote]

Wow, tens of years of scientific research thrown away in one short sentence! I hope that you consider publishing your findings about age and the identification of giftedness, it will definitely cause a stir among scholars worldwide! And while you're at it, please share your credentials - I am sure that they must be not only relevant but very impressive too, to enable you to make such proclamations without any hesitation or hint of self-doubt. Ah, the confidence of ignorance...[/quote]

I didn't say age norming didn't matter, obviously it gives you the best apples to apples comparison.  What I mean is, the kids who really stand out, really stand out, and if that is missed in one test, it will come out in other things.  The NNAT is still age-normed, I believe.   I think it would be interesting to see how many instances there were of kids who were missed because of no age-norming on one test, who NEEDED the program and didn't get in eventually. (Like the next year when they might better keep up with the class).  This isn't TJ where there's a limit of kids they let into the program.  AAP is an "expand to take as many as fit the profile" (and several who don't, in my opinion) sort of thing.

And I have actually researched this issue quite significantly.  Was the previous CoGAT better because it set the bar so low it let many non-qualified into the pool.  These test-makers and the schools that administer them are fallible, you know.  Read the problems Pearson is having in NYC.

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