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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This NYT "thought piece" I think is giving way too much credence to fringe behavior by positioning it as mainstream. What say you?

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/03/opinion/gen-z-dating-clavicular.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QVA.a3NV.5apj7_Wu0kSD&smid=url-share

My kids are GenZ. They're dating. I don't know any boys doing this looksmaxx BS. Am I wrong or is this article just complete BS and out of step with the zeitgeist?[/quote]

As a Gen Z male who is around "looksmaxxers" and who is very familiar with it, including following Clavicular from before he was mainstream the truth is that there's a small percentage of men who are sleeping with an absurd amount of women and then a much larger percentage of men and women who are not sleeping around at all.

I am friends with guys who are "looksmaxxers" who've slept with hundreds of women before 25 because they're active on Apps and in person. What used to take years of learning how to get a girl into bed started from we were around 14 and then we were on the apps before we were 18 (kicked off a few times) then redownloaded for good at 18 then it was game over. Reason being is quite simple: in a second or two to look at a profile women who have much greater control of their choice of who they want to sleep with (and believe me they do want to sleep around still) will choose the top 1-3% of guys on the app. Those 1-3% of the guys will earn a disproportionate amount of likes. I say this because I've been on it and slept with multiple women in a day depending on the week from the app.

Then you go out to club and a bar 2-4 times a week and meet girls there and you're talking scheduling issues because you're sleeping around so much. Again, this is much easier if you're in the top 1-3% of guys because women who used to think you were out of their league have a false impression of how attractive they are because they receive an outsourced amount of attention online.

I've since stopped sleeping around and I am not proud of it but I am still in close contact with guys who are active in these circles and the behavior is now repulsive to me (group chats bragging about who's going to sleep with the most girls for the week, sending nudes of girls etc). Horrible horrible stuff that isn't nearly talked about enough is going on in the Gen Z dating world. The worst part is, is that a lot of these women are misled that the sexual revolution and them sleeping around is empowering when I've seen and heard these girls cry first hand about why I and or a friend ghosted them after a one night stand (sorry you were just a number for me to try beat my friends for who got the most girls for the week). Then recorded her crying from another phone and sent into the GC to laugh at.

If I was someone who knew of this happening and wasn't attractive/etc. I would simply stop dating, which is what I suspect is happening to a lot of Gen Z[/quote]
What makes you think you're in the top 1-3% and by what objective parameters is this measured? It sounds as if you think that a man who can get multiple women to sleep with him in a short period of time is in the top 1-3%. But if a man is pinging hundreds of women to get dozens of dates and have sex 5 times a week, what does that say about him beyond that he has a lot of time on his hands and isn't choosy?

Your generation is very strange. You've layered a veneer of "science" over absolute nonsense.[/quote]

No defender of the PP, and it sounds like he isn't a defender of himself either.  However, what he is saying makes sense with data that is coming in about how fruitless dating is on the apps for most men. The data is consistent with the idea that "matches" are very heavily skewed toward a tiny proportion of men--1-3% being a realistic number based on what I have read for the percentage of men experiencing high yield from dating apps.

'Twas ever thus. Social mores in the past constrained this behavior. [b]For instance, the 90s star quarterback slept around some, but not with hundreds of women.[/b] Now he has access to an almost infinite pool.[/quote]
Lol! Have you actually known any star quarterbacks? You're naive if you think the star anything on college campuses wasn't stacking bodies. It was way easier back then because people actually left their rooms. On my campus, football players would just sit in the corner of bars and take home two, three girls at a time just for being built and tall. Even their buddies who just hung out with the team were nailing chicks in alleyways, cars, bathrooms on a nightly basis with no drinks or chitchat needed.[/quote]

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