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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Teach your kid to finish most of the homework at school.  My kids did their homework in the classroom, during lunch, on the school bus.   And they were in competitive magnet STEM program. [/quote]

This.

[b]Most kids are given a lot of time during the school day to be free[/b].  If your kid goofs off, socializes or zones out it is a missed opportunity.

Have two in high school and both go to bed 9:45-10:30 timeframe.  They also are really good about when they get home from sports finishing up any work they did not get done during the day.[/quote]

Might depend on the classes. As far as I can tell, this doesn't seem to be how DD's classes have been working. Her math class for instance, assigns about 15 pages of problems each session, on average. And the teacher gets super pissed if the kids start working on this in class, instead of focusing on whatever she's asking them to do. One of her other classes on that day assigns about a chapter of reading a week (40-50 pages) and about 45 problems a week. The third one is just note taking, so it's usually only about 20-30 pages per session. When you add in all the quizzes and tests, there is no earthly way to prep for everything during the school day; the only "free time" she has is about 45 minutes every other day during advisory, and once she starts tutoring for honor society, that's gone as well. As it is, she's usually doing her work in the car on her way to places, and still ends up having to stay up late some nights.[/quote]

+1 we see this too for our kid. The amount  of time and effort stuff ends up taking is far more than the time offered in class, but usually they don’t get any class time. If they do it’s not enough to finish whatever monster task (which ends up being formative anyway). They really need to stop the busy work and just get back to lectures, note taking and reading and then quiz or test. It’s too much.[/quote]

Yes.

And the learning seminars (study hall) are mostly taken up by district mandated lessons on equity topics

There isn't really a lot of time to work on homework at school.[/quote]

I disagree.  Sorry.

This is time management and I have seen that all kids who are in magnet tracks from ES,  learn time and project management for their academics.  Unfortunately, I do not see this with the regular school kids.

Even if some kids come to a magnet program in HS, without learning these skills in ES and MS, they will feel enormous pressure because they have not learned to use the small bits of time throughout the school day to finish their work.  Mainly, they cannot look at homework or a project and discern how to breakdown the whole homework in discrete pieces, what the sequence of work should be, and where the dependences are.  They cannot prioritize work and they cannot  figure out how to use the free time in the school day to finish parts of homework.

These kids are also great in identifying low priority, low impact,  low value busy work -  which often gets assigned by poorly prepared, not too intelligent, and lazy teachers - and they usually sit with their peers and divvy up this work to divide and conquer. [/quote]

I have no idea what on earth you're talking about (Magnet tracks? Is that some sort of code for AAP?). DD's teachers expect homework to be done at home. There is no time during the class time to do homework, because that time is taken up by classwork. Just the math homework takes several hours. There is no way to carve out several hours during the school day to complete that work, and that's just one class. As I said previously, she gets 45 minutes or so of "free" time every other day, during advisory. That's hardly enough to get through the work for one class, never mind all the rest of them. Pretty much none of the work she is assigned can be categorized as busywork. It's imperative that she does them, because that's practice for quizzes and tests.

DD is well organized, doesn't have any processing difficulties, or other learning related challenges. She just has a mountain of work, and sometimes, getting everything done in a timely manner means she's up late. She is hardly alone, because her friends are also in similar positions. These are academically strong kids, and what they're going through is not because they aren't well organized, or have time management problems. There is just a lot of work.[/quote]

+1 I also notice teachers expect kids to be working on weekends as well. They assign brand new tasks on Friday due the next class period. They never give the kids a break![/quote]

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