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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]people on this board ONLY care about these rankings because they hate St Andews and are annoyed that it's ever near the top.

why do they hate it? who the f knows. I live in the unites states and care very little about this.

rank the best colleges in India or South Africa and I'll also have no option there. China? No opinion.

but here, about the UK, they care. and it's all about one small school. it's BIZARRE behavior [/quote]

It is very simple. Despite having very high tariffs for UK students, it is admittedly easier for good US students from good private schools to gain acceptance there. And for more American brains, they cant reconcile the fact that an easier admissions for American is different than the school being a decent school. I understand. Even if I disagree. Most Americans have been pre-condition to believe low admissions rate equals amazing education….[/quote]

it's easier to get into every Oxford and Cambridge from the US too. UCL is much easier.

holistic admissions in the US makes admissions to top 20 colleges HARD for everyone, including unhooked UMC white kids. [/quote]

It is not easy for US students to get into Oxford or Cambridge as undergraduates. It is possible, but it is not easy.[/quote]

DP. The word "easier" is comparative. The word "easy" is absolute.

It is not "easy" for any unhooked student to get into Oxbridge. Partly for financial reasons (i.e., much higher international fees), it really is "easier" for an international fees applicant to be accepted at Oxbridge than an equally qualified UK applicant.

Nearly all UK universities, including Oxbridge, operate at a loss with their UK students. They need enough international fees students to make up the budget deficit. [/quote]

You are still applying American terms. The UK does not have a "hook" or "non-hook" system. That's exclusively US.
And I know about the finances in the UK, thanks. I am from the UK.[/quote]

That post was really not intended for you, but instead to the many others who are reading DCUM.

Separately, I promise you that hooks do exist in the UK (trivial example: Prince William would have been accepted to any UK uni where he applied). I also know of cases where UK faculty kids were accepted when equally qualified UK students did not, due to faculty parent calling in a favor. The ethics of that might be murky, but it has happened. The UK hooks are different, and fewer, than in the US but they exist. [/quote]

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