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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Can you even apply? Have you been to charm school? I actually thought I heard the ses school got shut down by this admin?

I personally wouldn’t want to be an SES. Even a GS15 is hell at my agency. They have so much responsibility and barely get paid any more. Ours testify in front of Congress yearly. The only benefit would be if you had a deputy and no direct reports. Supervising other managers is easier than supervising non managers too. I love what I do but you couldn’t pay me to be SES. It’s not worth 80k more. [/quote]

First, at most agencies you do not have to attend "charm school" to apply for SES.  (Maybe this poster is DoD - even there you used to attend charm school after you make SES, not before.  Maybe that has changed or maybe you mean executive leadership training.). Second, what SES school? There isn't a single SES school.  Third, not all SES testify in front of Congress.  Though, you should assume it could happen, it depends on a lot of factors.  Additionally, SES have direct reports.  You may be thinking of ST (perhaps SL) which do not supervise.  However, not all agencies have ST or SL.  Finally, if only there were an $80 pay bump.  For most agencies, the difference between GS-15, Tier 10 and SES is about $20k.[/quote]

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