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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Op here- thanks for the detailed answers. 
Kid definitely not interested in MD-PhD. 
Not even sure if wants to do medicine but wants to keep that option open. So won’t be applying to any BS/MD programs. 
Has shadowed a few times but no volunteering/research in medical.

To PP with 2 kids at ivies, or anyone. Are T20 premeds generally applying to med school while in college or are most taking a gap year after college?[/quote]

Most applicants take one or two gap years. [/quote]

That’s unfortunate because the length of training is so long already. Many smart kids will choose not to go into medicine especially with all the changes, insurance nonsense, declining reimbursement, and PE takeover. Medicine should not have any extra hurdles for the brightest kids. We need more great docs. [/quote]

Unfortunate but true. It was close to 75% of applicants last cycle and has been increasing yearly.  [/quote]

Another reason to try to get in to a T10/ivy. 40% go without a gap, and the schools they go to are TOP med schools meaning every specialty is a reality for every student there, no gatekeeping that is done at lower tier med schools, no primary-care focus that does not even have exposure to certain subspecialities. Plus some of these top undergrad schools have 20-25% getting 3.9+. They are teed up to succeed.[/quote]
Which school(s) have 20-25% getting 3.9+?[/quote]
Most of this is found somewhere online.
Brown has 50% in part because A- and A are both assigned 4.0.
Harvard and Duke have median GPA at 3.8 as does Penn Wharton. 
Princeton and PennCas/seas have lower median GPA but still 3.7. 
Even UVA median is right around 3.7 from published data shared with fraternities. All of these have 20% or more “3.9”.

It doesnt matter because med school gets data on the college gpas and compares you to your own school/peer schools. They assign tiers. So do law schools. We know tons of lowranking nonflagship kids who have 3.9 and cannot get above 502 on the mcat. Top quarter of ivy level schools typically get 520+. They are different groups of students. Med schools know it. [/quote]

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