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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Did they actually say "manage out"? Because that term specifically means making the person quit / move on, not firing them.

I'm not saying that you [i]should [/i]make these employees miserable until they leave voluntarily -- but that is what the term typically means. Nag and document and warn and take away flexibilities and generally be terrible = managing people out. 
Setting them up for a retirement or promotion elsewhere also falls in this category, but is usually used for too-expensive high performers.[/quote]

That’s a really good point.  I don’t think they used the phrase but that is what it feels like is happening.  I took the message as one of support for firing people — it was delivered with an acknowledgement that the organization had made it too hard for management to discipline and terminate people with known issues. I’m not willing to push any more, given the fact that every time I want to take action, HR backs off or asks for more support.  People aren’t going to voluntarily give up jobs they know they’ll never be fired from.  In my case, no amount of coaching or nagging is fixing their issues.  In fact, the more I push without imposing real consequences, the worse they get. Maybe they’re managing me out![/quote]

Well okay, but to me if they’re saying you need to do xyz before firing people it clearly means either 
a) they don’t want you to fire as many people 
or b) they want firings to be airtight under whatever contract rules so they don’t become a hassle after the fact

Is there a union? Do you have any reason to think it’s b? If not, it has to be that they want you to fire fewer people, because why else would they do that. And HR is pushing back because they’re being evaluated on you firing fewer people, which is why they are making you do this stuff.

I am not on the spectrum but this kind of song and dance drives me insane. You’re all on the same team, so just get clear about what you’re all trying to achieve so you can work together effectively. If the answer is that they want you to fire fewer people, and that’s an immovable rock, it seems like it would be way better for you to just know that and you can decide if you still want the job instead of flailing against this managing out stuff. [/quote]

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