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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's same attitude aligning with gun rights. Some simply equate independence as the opportunity to be able to have whatever they want whenever they want.  It stems from the Constitution as well which is cultural.  This is also the same attitude of why we Americans don't believe in vacations - like it makes us weak lol.  The whole puritan work till you drop, work is always great, work builds character and makes you a better person lunacy.  All of this is connected with the idea that no help should ever be requested or given.  It's completely ridiculous.

I know these parents whose kid is a friend of my DS and as working parents we all try to help each other out with rides to fun things separate from carpooling.  Just a mom trying to help out another.  Nope! They feel that their kid should just not partake in fun if they can't get him there. Even if another parent offers a ride as a favor - as in no help for us ever! We can only do what we can ourselves in life or we are bad people! Its just so silly. [/quote]

It’s all connected.  The bootstrap mentality, the disdain for collective action, the hatred of socialism, the distrust of science, the aversion to welfare, the veneration of hyperindividualism and Ayn Rand and lone heroes.  It all stems from a deep distrust of strangers.

I say “strangers” because MAGA trusts its own community and family members, but it ends there.  The Catholic church’s concept of “ordo amoris”, promoted heavily by JD Vance, aligns with this. The first obligation is to family, then neighbors, then community, then the nation, and only after that the world/planet.  That type of thinking quickly becomes a zero sum game.[/quote]
Your bit about the Catholic Church is a gross misrepresentation. One of the major tenets and teachings of catholicism is service to the poor and almsgiving. With all of the charity that the Church gives throughout the world every day, you can’t seriously believe this. What you are describing is probably more respresentative of one of the Protestant religions. [/quote]

Nope, it’s part of Catholic theology, first proposed by St. Augustine of Hippo, who believed that the proper ordering of love was the key to a moral life, and later expanded on by Thomas Aquinas, who wrote in Summa Theologica about the difficulty of balancing degree of connection with degree of need.   JD Vance and other Opus Dei-aligned hardliners seem to have hijacked the concept to convince MAGA that agape is woke.[/quote]

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